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ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box Matt ‘89 GT http://mr5oh.stangnet.com http://www.strictly50.org "what I see here is 2 flaming piles of monkey crap being slapped around by a walking $2 slut" The Rock
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Hey, it’s not their fault that CA’s politicians don’t give a rats ass about your gas prices! 
Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box Matt ‘89 GT http://mr5oh.stangnet.com http://www.strictly50.org "what I see here is 2 flaming piles of monkey crap being slapped around by a walking $2 slut" The Rock
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Hey, it’s not their fault that CA’s politicians don’t give a rats ass about your gas prices!
I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down. It’s all talk, so doesn’t matter anyway. "Why are gas prices so high? Someone has got to DO SOMETHING!" "We’ve started a research group to find out why gas prices are so high." etc. Duh, the supply of oil was lowered to increase the price. It’s the American way. Then the price goes sky-high and everyone bitches, and then the supply will soon be increased a bit and the price will drop somewhat but still be much higher than it was last year. The price will be higher than last year, but everyone will be pumping gas with a smile because their short-term memory only lets them remember the 20 cents more a gallon they paid for it last week. Like if you’re on the highway and think 75mph is fast. Drive 90 for awhile, come back down, and then 75 doesn’t seem so fast anymore. Too bad all the people complaining don’t bother complaining when their taxes are raised. They’ll bitch about paying an extra few hundred a year in gas, but they don’t bother saying anything when their taxes are raised by thousands. Hell, most are probably the same people who agree people should pay more taxes and say "the nation can’t AFFORD tax cuts."
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I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down.
earthquakes and mudslides are natural disasters, high gas prices aren’t, they’re predictable. Too bad all the people complaining don’t bother complaining when their taxes are raised.
my county is asking a continance of a local sales tax to make more money to reapir highways and expand rapid transit. Matt ‘89 GT http://mr5oh.stangnet.com http://www.strictly50.org "what I see here is 2 flaming piles of monkey crap being slapped around by a walking $2 slut" The Rock
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I went through the high prices in CA some months ago and remember the newspaper articles, the news stories, the man on the street interviews, the shows touting the gas stations with the best prices, the politicians vowing to get to the bottom of the high prices, etc., and nothing’s come of it. Prices in CA came down a little bit and all the complaints died away and of course the politicians aren’t going to ruffle the feathers of the gas companies who contribute large sums of money to their campaign war chests. Now the prices are going up have gone up here in the mid-west (boy, did I time my move at the wrong time or what?) and I see it all over again. And the same thing will happen: nothing. Oh there’s talk of investigations, tax roll backs, protests, etc., but the prices will come down, have started to come down a few pennies and in a couple of weeks all the BS will go away, but the prices will remain high, just not quite as high as they have been. Heck, if I was a gas refiner, I’d be testing the waters to see what I could charge. What else are drivers going to do? How many have essentially said by their purchase of gas inefficient trucks/SUVs that gas mileage and what they pay for gas to operate said vehicle is of little or no concern to them? Oh, and I read that some of the areas in which gas has gone up the most here in the mid-west are the same areas that drive the most miles. And guess what? MTBE gas is making an appearance. Wait until the mid-westeners hear about water pollution that comes from this gas…. Sincerely, MarcW. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box Matt ‘89 GT http://mr5oh.stangnet.com http://www.strictly50.org "what I see here is 2 flaming piles of monkey crap being slapped around by a walking $2 slut" The Rock
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box
Let me get on your soap box then, being that I live smack dab in the middle of the damn bible belt. In fact, if I may, let me unbuckle the damn thing. Let’s compare salaries, net income, and a few other variables here. As a percent of the average salary, how much would you say that gas, at $2.00/gallon would run someone if they drove 15,000 miles/year in California? I bet, I just *BET* that it is WAY lower than what it would be if the same instance was imposed upon someone living in the midwest. I could live in California. I have. I could have made more there as an INTERN than I am now. Why don’t I move out there? Hmmnnn.. I pose a good question to myself. Now, if I price gas at $2.00/gallon here and I take that as a percentage of my salary.. whoa.. that’s a serious net increase. What happened? Am I going to bitch just a LITTLE more than a Californian? Not necessarily.. but others will… This thread doesn’t even dignify attention. In short: Gas prices suck. They will continue to suck. Those that bitch are wasting their time frowning when they could be smiling that they at least *can* buy gas. Most of those bitching are those who bought Ford Expeditions that get gallons to the mile instead of vice versa. stephen 1995 SVT Cobra (wounded) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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the politicians vowing to get to the bottom of the high prices, etc., and nothing’s come of it.
Have you noticed that the idea of cutting the taxes on a gallon of gasoline has not even been considered? The oil companies make 12-13 cents profit on a gallon of gas. The oil companies drill for the oil, process it, ship it, refine it, etc… What does the government do to get fuel in our cars? Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Yet the government, at all levels, depending on where a gallon of gas is bought, gets 45-55 cents. Why haven’t they even mentioned cutting taxes on fuel? Also, Algore himself is benefitting personally from these high prices. He’s a sharehold in Occidental Petroleum (or something like that). What a hypocrite. — David Lyons Before you buy.
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Let me get on your soap box then, being that I live smack dab in the middle of the damn bible belt. In fact, if I may, let me unbuckle the damn thing.
Heh. Where are you located anyway? Gas is starting to hit the $2.00 per gallon mark here in Nashvegas and it sucks royally as I’ve had to adjust my monthly budget to accomodate the additional $40 or so I’m having to spend per month just to drive back and forth to work. This thread doesn’t even dignify attention.
I am so stupid for having replied. <g In short: Gas prices suck. They will continue to suck. Those that bitch are wasting their time frowning when they could be smiling that they at least *can* buy gas. Most of those bitching are those who bought Ford Expeditions that get gallons to the mile instead of vice versa.
Oddly, I haven’t seen any shortage of soccer moms driving battle barges yet. One would think that it might finally be safe for the rest of us to be on the roads now! Of course, I keep a Jeep GC parked in the garage next to our GT, but it’s a six cylinder Jeep … so I get to talk bad about the v8 SUV drivers. ;-) — 1998 Mustang GT, Ultra White, Mod-less (for now) ** Remove "-spamsucks-" when replying via e-mail. Read the rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang FAQ today by visiting http://www.geocities.com/ramfm_faq Visit the Late Model Mustangs FAQ here: http://www.sb.net/wkeller/mustangs-faq/TOCindex.html
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I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down. earthquakes and mudslides are natural disasters, high gas prices aren’t, they’re predictable.
Point was, the midwest gets natural disasters such as floods and LOTS of snow and freezing cold that kills people every year, but on the news you get to see disaster relief going to Californians who built their homes on the sides of cliffs and are amazed that it wasn’t the best place to build on. Too bad all the people complaining don’t bother complaining when their taxes are raised. my county is asking a continance of a local sales tax to make more money to reapir highways and expand rapid transit.
Don’t you love those "temporary" taxes on things? They never seem to be that temporary. Btw, wasn’t the Alaskan Pipeline built for gas situations just like this?
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*clapping loudly* as he carries additional soapbox supports over.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box Matt ‘89 GT http://mr5oh.stangnet.com http://www.strictly50.org "what I see here is 2 flaming piles of monkey crap being slapped around by a walking $2 slut" The Rock
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Hey, it’s not their fault that CA’s politicians don’t give a rats ass about your gas prices! I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest.
Then open your ears. Your local taxes certainly aren’t covering disaster relief on their own. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down.
I think they should rough it out on their own, fuck ‘em if their insurance won’t cover it. I hate those yuppie bastards who want the common man to bail them out because they’re clueless. If they can afford to build on the side of a hill/cliff/whatever, then they can pay to rebuild too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down. earthquakes and mudslides are natural disasters, high gas prices aren’t, they’re predictable. Point was, the midwest gets natural disasters such as floods and LOTS of snow and freezing cold that kills people every year, but on the news you get to see disaster relief going to Californians who built their homes on the sides of cliffs and are amazed that it wasn’t the best place to build on.
Just because you don’t see it on the news doesn’t mean disaster relief isn’t given. You can’t honestly believe local tax $$ are solely responsible for all the rebuilding. Well you could, but I don’t think you’re that stupid. I for one see $$ being spread around for disaster relief as needed. Some areas are hit harder than others in any given year, thus the distribution may appear unequal at times.
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Yeah, OPEC pointed out as much. It said it was not to blame for hte high prices that the cost of the crude was a small part of what consumers pay at the pump. And it is worse in Europe, where they pay much more for gas and most if not all the additional cost is made up of taxes. Supposedly, the government uses the taxes from gas to pay for roads, but I’ve read in the local (KC Mo) paper just recently that MO is facing some problems because it has many miles of roads (5th in the nation with a population of less than 6 million). It is not a big state either. Gee, I wonder where all those gas taxes have been going? I’m not against paying taxes on gas to help pay for and maintain the roads I drive on, but I am against having these taxes siphoned off for other things because you know what’s going to happen? Those other thiings, those other programs will continue to receive the funding and at the same or higher levels, but gas taxes will go up, or state income taxes will go up in order to raise money to cover the gas tax money being spent elsewhere, for things other than road building and maintenance. Sincerely, MarcW. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the politicians vowing to get to the bottom of the high prices, etc., and nothing’s come of it. Have you noticed that the idea of cutting the taxes on a gallon of gasoline has not even been considered? The oil companies make 12-13 cents profit on a gallon of gas. The oil companies drill for the oil, process it, ship it, refine it, etc… What does the government do to get fuel in our cars? Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Yet the government, at all levels, depending on where a gallon of gas is bought, gets 45-55 cents. Why haven’t they even mentioned cutting taxes on fuel? Also, Algore himself is benefitting personally from these high prices. He’s a sharehold in Occidental Petroleum (or something like that). What a hypocrite. — David Lyons Before you buy.
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You would almost certainly make more working in CA than in the mid-west (I took a $17,000 per year pay cut when I moved and took a new job back here) but living in CA, at least in the areas I’m familiar with, the cost of gas would be the least of your worries. My rent for a one bedroom apartment in Sunnyvale CA (a suburb of San Jose, CA), not a posh locale (but nice) by any stretch of the definition, cost me (had I stayed the next month) $1765 a month in rent. That’s right: $1765 a month for a one bedroom (I can’t remember the square footage but it was way less than 1,000 and probably less than 800 sq. ft. in size), with A/C, stove, fridge, dish washer (and hook up for a stacked washer/dryer), with covered parking for one car. In KC Mo, I just applied for and expect to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Independence MO (a suburb of KC Mo and on par with Sunnyvale CA) which rents for $515 a month. Square footage is less than 800 square feet and comes with the same features/amenities except covered parking. (Most apartments in the area do not offer covered parking.) If you move to CA most likely you will not at all be concerned about the cost of gas because all of your concern, your worry, will be over the cost of housing. (House prices are considerably lower here too. I won’t bore you many examples but I’m like a kid in a candy store. I’m driving down the road, most any road, and I see a house for sale. I’m thinking nice house, would I want to buy it and I see another sign down the road a ways further. I forget the house I"m passing for the one down the road. I start playing ‘what if’ and then another sign appears, or I pass a new housing development with a sign listing the starting prices of houses in the development and I’m off thinking about buying a house, a new house in one of the many new developments. Oh, and in some cases, being able to buy and pay cash for the house here with money that would have only been a down payment for a house in San Jose CA, if I had been able to qualify for the house in the first place, which would have been unlikely, even given my income in San Jose CA.) Sincerely, MarcW. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, all over the place I keep hearing how gas prices are out of control in the mid west and now Politicans <sp are now getting involved. WTF is this BS? Your prices are no different than what the prices here in California were a couple of months, so why all the bitching? Rough it out. So what if you have to complain that you have to pay $2.00+ for 87 octane. We did in California. Hell, we do almost all year long. No Politican helped us with lowering the prices. We just say "oh $2.00’s for gas, oh well and just started pumping". I think it’s about time some places actually started paying for gas what we have been paying over here. Of course this is my opinion and my opinion alone <climbing down from the RAMFM soap box Let me get on your soap box then, being that I live smack dab in the middle of the damn bible belt. In fact, if I may, let me unbuckle the damn thing. Let’s compare salaries, net income, and a few other variables here. As a percent of the average salary, how much would you say that gas, at $2.00/gallon would run someone if they drove 15,000 miles/year in California? I bet, I just *BET* that it is WAY lower than what it would be if the same instance was imposed upon someone living in the midwest. I could live in California. I have. I could have made more there as an INTERN than I am now. Why don’t I move out there? Hmmnnn.. I pose a good question to myself. Now, if I price gas at $2.00/gallon here and I take that as a percentage of my salary.. whoa.. that’s a serious net increase. What happened? Am I going to bitch just a LITTLE more than a Californian? Not necessarily.. but others will… This thread doesn’t even dignify attention. In short: Gas prices suck. They will continue to suck. Those that bitch are wasting their time frowning when they could be smiling that they at least *can* buy gas. Most of those bitching are those who bought Ford Expeditions that get gallons to the mile instead of vice versa. stephen 1995 SVT Cobra (wounded) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, OPEC pointed out as much. It said it was not to blame for hte high prices that the cost of the crude was a small part of what consumers pay at the pump. And it is worse in Europe, where they pay much more for gas and most if not all the additional cost is made up of taxes. Supposedly, the government uses the taxes from gas to pay for roads, but I’ve read in the local (KC Mo) paper just recently that MO is facing some problems because it has many miles of roads (5th in the nation with a population of less than 6 million). It is not a big state either. Gee, I wonder where all those gas taxes have been going? I’m not against paying taxes on gas to help pay for and maintain the roads I drive on, but I am against having these taxes siphoned off for other things because you know what’s going to happen? Those other thiings, those other programs will continue to receive the funding and at the same or higher levels, but gas taxes will go up, or state income taxes will go up in order to raise money to cover the gas tax money being spent elsewhere, for things other than road building and maintenance. Sincerely, MarcW.
Sounds like what’s been happening to school $$ from the Florida Lottery. The money was supposed to go to education, but it’s being siphoned off for "other interests". Joe Calypso Green ‘93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies http://www.tranquilitybase.com/joe/mustang1.html
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It may be that I’m paying more attention to these things but in the recent week or so, driving around looking for an apartment and finding local places of interest (the local drag strip, KC Internation Raceway for instance….) I’ve seen more than a couple of used Suburbans for sale by private parties. Even my dad has parked his Suburban with gas prices so high… Sincerely, MarcW. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me get on your soap box then, being that I live smack dab in the middle of the damn bible belt. In fact, if I may, let me unbuckle the damn thing. Heh. Where are you located anyway? Gas is starting to hit the $2.00 per gallon mark here in Nashvegas and it sucks royally as I’ve had to adjust my monthly budget to accomodate the additional $40 or so I’m having to spend per month just to drive back and forth to work. This thread doesn’t even dignify attention. I am so stupid for having replied. <g In short: Gas prices suck. They will continue to suck. Those that bitch are wasting their time frowning when they could be smiling that they at least *can* buy gas. Most of those bitching are those who bought Ford Expeditions that get gallons to the mile instead of vice versa. Oddly, I haven’t seen any shortage of soccer moms driving battle barges yet. One would think that it might finally be safe for the rest of us to be on the roads now! Of course, I keep a Jeep GC parked in the garage next to our GT, but it’s a six cylinder Jeep … so I get to talk bad about the v8 SUV drivers. ;-) — 1998 Mustang GT, Ultra White, Mod-less (for now) ** Remove "-spamsucks-" when replying via e-mail. Read the rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang FAQ today by visiting http://www.geocities.com/ramfm_faq Visit the Late Model Mustangs FAQ here: http://www.sb.net/wkeller/mustangs-faq/TOCindex.html
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I don’t know but when I lived in CA it seemed like I was always reading about some damn hurricane or tornado or flood somewheres that of course qualified for federal diaster relief. And invariably, the surivors when interviewed vowed to rebuild (with federal — some of my tax money in there no doubt) help right in the same place. Sincerely, MarcW. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, it’s not their fault that CA’s politicians don’t give a rats ass about your gas prices! I never hear of much flood disaster relief money or snow relief or the like either for the midwest. I hear a lot of government money going for people in California who built their homes on the sides of hills or beaches and then are surprised when an earthquake or mudslide knocks it all down. It’s all talk, so doesn’t matter anyway. "Why are gas prices so high? Someone has got to DO SOMETHING!" "We’ve started a research group to find out why gas prices are so high." etc. Duh, the supply of oil was lowered to increase the price. It’s the American way. Then the price goes sky-high and everyone bitches, and then the supply will soon be increased a bit and the price will drop somewhat but still be much higher than it was last year. The price will be higher than last year, but everyone will be pumping gas with a smile because their short-term memory only lets them remember the 20 cents more a gallon they paid for it last week. Like if you’re on the highway and think 75mph is fast. Drive 90 for awhile, come back down, and then 75 doesn’t seem so fast anymore. Too bad all the people complaining don’t bother complaining when their taxes are raised. They’ll bitch about paying an extra few hundred a year in gas, but they don’t bother saying anything when their taxes are raised by thousands. Hell, most are probably the same people who agree people should pay more taxes and say "the nation can’t AFFORD tax cuts."
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