Mustang Miss

OT: Question of the day…. 05/14/07

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Hi, Sally, My hubby has a restored ‘68 powder blue Mustang "sitting" in our garage. He takes it out maybe 3 times a year. Waste of money for insurance if you ask me… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad owned a powder blue 1968 Mustang. Not convertible. My mom crashed it several years later. She was trying to learn how to drive and my dad took her out to practice. She went to the end of the street, hit the gas instead of the break, broke (they break, they don’t bend) off a Palm tree – we lived in Florida then – and hit the side of a house and cracked it – broke my dad’s nose, too. She never attempted driving again, and we never much liked the car anyway.. it was no good on long road trips, very low to the ground and uncomfortable, but it looked great until the wreck, I mean. I have more stories about that car, but no time for that right now. I’m off to work. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::What is your favorite car? Anything "Lexus" Jackie ~*~"What I cannot love, I overlook."~*~ ~~ Anais Nin — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Elise ~ My first "nice" car was a 1965 and a half powder blue Mustang. It had white interior and a wooden steering wheel. What a fun car to drive! Some lady ran into the back of it while I was stopped at a stop light. Though it was only about 5 miles an hour when she hit me – the back end crumpled like an accordion right up to the rear wheel. It bent the frame and the car never was the same after that "fender bender." Sadly, I felt I needed to trade it in shortly after it was repaired. Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Sally, My hubby has a restored ‘68 powder blue Mustang "sitting" in our garage. He takes it out maybe 3 times a year. Waste of money for insurance if you ask me… smiles, Elise My dad owned a powder blue 1968 Mustang. Not convertible. My mom crashed it several years later. She was trying to learn how to drive and my dad took her out to practice. She went to the end of the street, hit the gas instead of the break, broke (they break, they don’t bend) off a Palm tree – we lived in Florida then – and hit the side of a house and cracked it – broke my dad’s nose, too. She never attempted driving again, and we never much liked the car anyway.. it was no good on long road trips, very low to the ground and uncomfortable, but it looked great until the wreck, I mean. I have more stories about that car, but no time for that right now. I’m off to work. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie

A Ford GT Red convertible Mustang. I would love the new one but would absolutely go crazy for the late 60’s model. 1968 or 1968. I know someone who has an old one, in mint condition. I even offered my husband (jokingly, of course) for it. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie A Ford GT Red convertible Mustang. I would love the new one but would absolutely go crazy for the late 60’s model. 1968 or 1968. I know someone who has an old one, in mint condition. I even offered my husband (jokingly, of course) for it.

My dad owned a powder blue 1968 Mustang. Not convertible. My mom crashed it several years later. She was trying to learn how to drive and my dad took her out to practice. She went to the end of the street, hit the gas instead of the break, broke (they break, they don’t bend) off a Palm tree – we lived in Florida then – and hit the side of a house and cracked it – broke my dad’s nose, too. She never attempted driving again, and we never much liked the car anyway.. it was no good on long road trips, very low to the ground and uncomfortable, but it looked great until the wreck, I mean. I have more stories about that car, but no time for that right now. I’m off to work. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie ~*~"What I cannot love, I overlook."~*~ ~~ Anais Nin — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie ~*~"What I cannot love, I overlook."~*~ ~~ Anais Nin

I don’t know one from the next. One that runs well works for me. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie

The one I don’t own! — _TJ_

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie ~*~"What I cannot love, I overlook."~*~ ~~ Anais Nin —

1927 Rolls Royce Phantom, no I do not own one, but oooh the design. Jess — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car?

I like Volvo’s or BMW’s. I’ve had both in my youth and would love to have another one of either. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car? Jackie The one I don’t own! — _TJ_

Ha! Perfect answer, TJ. I don’t own a car either. :~) kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car?

My favourite car is my 2006 Toyota Matrix. I can get lots of things into it and it gets very good mileage. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own anon poster What is your favorite car?

One with four wheels and mine.

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The Ford Mustang is a hot looking car but not one I’d own. smiles, Elise

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05/14/07:

snip "What is your favorite car?" 1957 Chevy classic black with silver fins. I loved that car. Don’t own one now. -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: snip "What is your favorite car?" 1957 Chevy classic black with silver fins. I loved that car. Don’t own one now.

I own a 55 Bel Air 2 door hardtop. I bought it about 30 years ago for $350. It would be nice to get it on the road before there is no such thing as gasoline/petrol. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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05/14/07: snip "What is your favorite car?" 1957 Chevy classic black with silver fins. I loved that car. Don’t own one now.

That car was a beautiful car. My husband and I had it at one time. It was black with silver fins and red upholstery and lots of chrome. I haven’t seen a car since that was as classy looking as that one. I bought a car calendar (the same calendar)for my two sons in law last Christmas and one of the pictures was a red 1957 Chev Bel Air. (The black one looked better I thought). They both said it was a terrific looking car. I’ve had lots of cars through the years, but always remembered the 1957 Chev. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT: Question of the day…. 9/13/06

admin — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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What was your favorite past car?

Well, I’ve never had a car, but my mom let me drive her Buick for a while last year, before she sold it to pay for her meds. That was a nice car. A bit rusty, and the turn signals didn’t work, and the lights would switch off while driving after about thirty minutes. Still, it was the best car we’ve ever owned. Now we both hoof it, or get rides. When I write the great book that’ll save all my friends, that’s what I’m buying: a Buick LeSabre. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/13/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Gigglz What was your favorite past car?

It was a Vauxhall GT (1970??) with full Rally racing package ready for competition. The power to weight ratio was phenomenal and it hugged the road like it was glued to it. — Knowledge of my own mortality doesn’t make me anxious Living long enough to become a living vegetable scares the hell out of me. I would rather be hit by a train right now. Ron P — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::What was your favorite past car? It was my parents 1974 olive green Mercury Montego. I was beyond thrilled when they gave me the car in 1981. I totaled the car in 1982 after going through a red light. Jackie ~*~I have learned that the dashing white-knight who was supposed to sweep me off my feet…has apparently gotten lost in the forest~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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i’d have to say my little 1980 chevy chevette. that little piece of crap was great on gas, and i could park it anywhere. that was my first car and i beat the hell out of it! im sorry my sweet little chevita!!! i was young and dumb!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What was your favorite past car? Hmmmmm. My favorite past car was actually my college boyfriend’s BMW 2002 orange compact sedan. That thing FLEW! — back when I loved driving fast on highways. But a car of my own? To my surprise, the best-driving car I ever had was a little Dodge Colt..which was actually a Mitsubishi underneath the Dodge nameplate. It was small but peppy and a pleasure to drive. Got me through a long commute for years, through snowstorms and other headaches. I drove it until it puttered to a halt at the junkyard. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/13/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Gigglz What was your favorite past car?

A BMW my father bought for me back in high school. That thing hugged the road! Second favorite was my Volvo 740 turbo intercooler station wagon. It drove like a dream! kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Deirdre, Now that Mustang is one HOT car!!! smiles, Elise

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9/13/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Gigglz What was your favorite past car? Jackie ~*~I have learned that the dashing white-knight who was supposed to sweep me off my feet…has apparently gotten lost in the forest~*~ —

Past car…um that gives me the options of an 1990 Chevy S-10, 1989 Sentra hatchback, 1984 Pontiac Fiero or a 1994 Pontiac Sunbird….um….how about none of them? The Fiero was the most fun of my past cars but it doesn’t hold a candle to my current ride. Jess — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The cutest was my dad’s new 1969 powder blue Mustang. The coolest was his 195?? Plymoth Fury. Red and white with tail fins. The thing was enormous and a convertible. The BEST one I ever drove was a Plymouth Station wagon my dad bought back in the 1980’s – best car I ever drove.. of my own my first. …brand new, off the showroom floor white 1977 Chevy Malibu I got for my 17th birthday. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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weeks schreef: Hi, Deirdre, Now that Mustang is one HOT car!!! smiles, Elise

I love all of them. These cars were rarely seen on European roads where much smaller European cars have always been common. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 9/13/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Gigglz What was your favorite past car? There are many, but the one that gets me the hottest

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‘69 Mach I – could that car ever go… smiles, Elise

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What was your favorite past car?

Hmmmmm. My favorite past car was actually my college boyfriend’s BMW 2002 orange compact sedan. That thing FLEW! — back when I loved driving fast on highways. But a car of my own? To my surprise, the best-driving car I ever had was a little Dodge Colt..which was actually a Mitsubishi underneath the Dodge nameplate. It was small but peppy and a pleasure to drive. Got me through a long commute for years, through snowstorms and other headaches. I drove it until it puttered to a halt at the junkyard. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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It would be my first vehicle which was a 1977 Chevy Silverado. A lot of fond memories of that truck, probably because it represented a sense of independence. d

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9/13/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Gigglz What was your favorite past car?

There are many, but the one that gets me the hottest

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I-Bot Lite

admin — Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Burgerman wrote: > "Pete" wrote in message > news:430bb9f4$1@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>Joanne Marinelli wrote: >>>"Pete" wrote in message >>>news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>>>What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best >>>>part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >>>>the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >>>>RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >>>>along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >>>>maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >>>>argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >>>>a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >>>>of it. >>>>Opinions? >>>Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well >>>matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s >>>mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his >>>skill. >>>But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can >>>be >>>maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. >>>I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. >>>I-Bots >>>are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you >>>like. >>The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the >>technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway >>for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment above >>might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. >>For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got. >>– >>Pete. > Well once I get this balance thing sorted, and it already is really (but not > salable or safe!) then I could sell anyone a "box" with a circuit board, and > a gyro in that can ballance their existing powerchair for them if its > fast/responsive/c of g correct enough. You would also need a shaft encoder > (sensor) on your wheel shafts. > As usual its DIY time here!

As spiffy as this sounds wouldn’t you end up in perpetual wheelstand mode with this, i don’t think my neck muscles could handle it, high back seat needed.

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Interesting thought, I see your point. So what does it do other than the obvious? And at what cost? I’d say sure would command attention, but in my mind I’d be thinking-This thing gonna stay balanced? No… I’d never feel secure. But I do give them credit for a super engineering accomplishment. And perhaps other adaptations. — ______________________- Patrick George Boch ——————————————— – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Pete" wrote in message news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… > What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best > part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget the > 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight RWD > I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll along, sort > of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to maim children > and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still argue about the > relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, a winner all > round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think of it. > Opinions?

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2005-08-18, Responding to Burgerman… [...] >>> You really should order some of the 4 pole motors for >>> that chair (and put the compensation at 45) because they >>> make a huge differencs. (even more so on 36v!) >> 45? The optimum for the 2-pole F55s setup is around 130, >> so how come the huge drop in available power for the >> compensation function? > Lower resistance, more current drawn, twice the torque?

Er… [...] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m working on a possibly mental project of our own at the >> moment. Elaine wants full speed and power, and comfort (as >> you’ll understand) and I need to be able to whip the thing >> to small enough bits to stick in a taxi boot without >> unscrewing things and playing meccano. >> The most cost effective solution so far is to hack an old >> aluminium foldup and fit plates for the new 4-pole motors, >> then wangle the biggest batteries we can into the available >> space. P&G controlled of course, as we already have that >> hardware. > But there is the problem. Smaller batteries cannot > provide the amps needed for the full power 6mph 4 pole > motors without voltage drop under load, and only AGM > batteries can survive this kind of abuse anyway sensibly.

The plan is not fully fleshed out yet, as you can doubtless tell, but some gains form reducing weight can be used I’d have thought. Don’t forget, its an aluminium chassis, and Elaine is quite light. [...] >> I believe the Americans used similar "max-power" ideas when >> they built the stripped-down muscle cars of the 70s. > You mean like my nitrous injected V8 ford sierra L

I was thinking AC Cobra (drool!) and stuff like the Mustang etc. — —- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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news:y4HMe.19102$0u2.10159@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2005-08-17, Responding to Pete… >> What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best >> part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >> the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >> RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >> along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >> maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >> argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >> a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >> of it. > Too late. See Burgerman’s rather interesting site. > BTW, there appears to be a glut of Segways that nobody seems > to want. HomeBuilt custom IBOTettes anybody? > Old fold-up (or something) plus Segway bits…? > Unless previously copyright, this idea released under GNU > licencing, so go to it guys! (Just stay out of our local > supermarket ok? Elaine’s F55s WILL move it!

You really should order some of the 4 pole motors for that chair (and put the compensation at 45) because they make a huge differencs. (even more so on 36v!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> P.S. Granny-Crushing capacity may go down as well as up. > Batteries possibly included. > — > —- > * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 > * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c > – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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2005-08-17, Responding to Pete… > What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best > part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget > the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight > RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll > along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to > maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still > argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, > a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think > of it.

Too late. See Burgerman’s rather interesting site. BTW, there appears to be a glut of Segways that nobody seems to want. HomeBuilt custom IBOTettes anybody? Old fold-up (or something) plus Segway bits…? Unless previously copyright, this idea released under GNU licencing, so go to it guys! (Just stay out of our local supermarket ok? Elaine’s F55s WILL move it! P.S. Granny-Crushing capacity may go down as well as up. Batteries possibly included. — —- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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news:2uMMe.979$a87.427@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2005-08-17, Responding to Burgerman… > [...] >>> BTW, there appears to be a glut of Segways that nobody seems >>> to want. HomeBuilt custom IBOTettes anybody? >>> Old fold-up (or something) plus Segway bits…? >>> Unless previously copyright, this idea released under GNU >>> licencing, so go to it guys! (Just stay out of our local >>> supermarket ok? Elaine’s F55s WILL move it! >> You really should order some of the 4 pole motors for that >> chair (and put the compensation at 45) because they make a >> huge differencs. (even more so on 36v!) > 45? The optimum for the 2-pole F55s setup is around 130, so > how come the huge drop in available power for the

Lower resistance, more current drawn, twice the torque? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> compensation function? > I agree about the motors though, and we’re keeping an > interested eye cocked in the direction of your projects. > I’m working on a possibly mental project of our own at the > moment. Elaine wants full speed and power, and comfort (as > you’ll understand) and I need to be able to whip the thing > to small enough bits to stick in a taxi boot without > unscrewing things and playing meccano. > The most cost effective solution so far is to hack an old > aluminium foldup and fit plates for the new 4-pole motors, > then wangle the biggest batteries we can into the available > space. P&G controlled of course, as we already have that > hardware.

But there is the problem. Smaller batteries cannot provide the amps needed for the full power 6mph 4 pole motors without voltage drop under load, and only AGM batteries can survive this kind of abuse anyway sensibly. > I believe the Americans used similar "max-power" ideas when > they built the stripped-down muscle cars of the 70s.

You mean like my nitrous injected V8 ford sierra L > Gotta get some spring-loaded sprags built though! > Might be sending you an order for a pair of those > wheel-mountings soon too. If you do them to order that is?

I dont sell anything but bacons on grimsby dock macined mine for me or you can get similar stuff from npc robotics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > —- > * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 > * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c > – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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news:430bb9f4$1@duster.adelaide.on.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joanne Marinelli wrote: >> "Pete" wrote in message >> news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>>What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best >>>part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >>>the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >>>RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >>>along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >>>maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >>>argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >>>a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >>>of it. >>>Opinions? >> Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well >> matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s >> mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his >> skill. >> But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can >> be >> maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. >> I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. >> I-Bots >> are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you >> like. > The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the > technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway > for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment above > might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. > For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got. > — > Pete.

Well once I get this balance thing sorted, and it already is really (but not salable or safe!) then I could sell anyone a "box" with a circuit board, and a gyro in that can ballance their existing powerchair for them if its fast/responsive/c of g correct enough. You would also need a shaft encoder (sensor) on your wheel shafts. As usual its DIY time here!

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2005-08-24, Responding to Pete… [...] >> I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. I-Bots >> are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you like. > The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the > technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway > for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment > above might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. > For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got.

Just wait till I get this GNU licenced anti-grav unit working! No more crushed grannies! Just float over them! Sorry. Its late and I’m tired. : — —- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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2005-08-17, Responding to Burgerman… [...] >> BTW, there appears to be a glut of Segways that nobody seems >> to want. HomeBuilt custom IBOTettes anybody? >> Old fold-up (or something) plus Segway bits…? >> Unless previously copyright, this idea released under GNU >> licencing, so go to it guys! (Just stay out of our local >> supermarket ok? Elaine’s F55s WILL move it! > You really should order some of the 4 pole motors for that > chair (and put the compensation at 45) because they make a > huge differencs. (even more so on 36v!)

45? The optimum for the 2-pole F55s setup is around 130, so how come the huge drop in available power for the compensation function? I agree about the motors though, and we’re keeping an interested eye cocked in the direction of your projects. I’m working on a possibly mental project of our own at the moment. Elaine wants full speed and power, and comfort (as you’ll understand) and I need to be able to whip the thing to small enough bits to stick in a taxi boot without unscrewing things and playing meccano. The most cost effective solution so far is to hack an old aluminium foldup and fit plates for the new 4-pole motors, then wangle the biggest batteries we can into the available space. P&G controlled of course, as we already have that hardware. I believe the Americans used similar "max-power" ideas when they built the stripped-down muscle cars of the 70s. Gotta get some spring-loaded sprags built though! Might be sending you an order for a pair of those wheel-mountings soon too. If you do them to order that is? — —- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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I already built one. — www.diy-nitrous.fsnet.co.uk/ All about nitrous and how to DIY! www.dynamometer.fsnet.co.uk/ All about Dynamometers www.powerchair-review.fsnet.co.uk/ Powerchairs reviews and Robots www.tuning.wanadoo.co.uk/ All about engine tuning! (for dummies) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Pete" wrote in message news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… > What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best > part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget the > 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight RWD > I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll along, sort > of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to maim children > and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still argue about the > relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, a winner all > round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think of it. > Opinions?

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"Pete" wrote in message

news:430c11ec$1@duster.adelaide.on.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Burgerman wrote: >> "Pete" wrote in message >> news:430bb9f4$1@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>>Joanne Marinelli wrote: >>>>"Pete" wrote in message >>>>news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>>>>What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the >>>>>best >>>>>part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >>>>>the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >>>>>RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >>>>>along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >>>>>maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >>>>>argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >>>>>a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >>>>>of it. >>>>>Opinions? >>>>Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well >>>>matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s >>>>mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire >>>>his >>>>skill. >>>>But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can >>>>be >>>>maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. >>>>I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. >>>>I-Bots >>>>are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you >>>>like. >>>The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the >>>technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway >>>for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment >>>above might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. >>>For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got. >>>– >>>Pete. >> Well once I get this balance thing sorted, and it already is really (but >> not salable or safe!) then I could sell anyone a "box" with a circuit >> board, and a gyro in that can ballance their existing powerchair for them >> if its fast/responsive/c of g correct enough. You would also need a >> shaft encoder (sensor) on your wheel shafts. >> As usual its DIY time here! > As spiffy as this sounds wouldn’t you end up in perpetual wheelstand mode > with this, i don’t think my neck muscles could handle it, high back seat > needed.

Yes you do. Thats the point. If the chairs c of g is far enough back though you are only tipped back say 20 degrees. And its actually very comfortable for typing or drinking beer for an hour or two. And you can drive about too. But at the moment, unlike the ibot, its not good enough to work completely by itself. You need to help it, much like a manual chair wheelying. Needs more development!

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Burgerman" wrote in > I already built one.

What’s its GCPH* rating? *(Grannies Crushed Per Hour) — Bobby G.

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"Joanne Marinelli" wrote in message

news:JWEOe.658850$cg1.245255@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Pete" wrote in message > news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… >> What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best >> part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >> the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >> RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >> along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >> maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >> argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >> a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >> of it. >> Opinions? > Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well > matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s > mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his > skill. > But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can be > maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. > I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. > I-Bots > are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you > like. > Joanne

Balancing is cheap to manufacture, it was the development that cost. It will become much cheaper.

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2005-08-24, Responding to Pete… [...] >> Just wait till I get this GNU licenced anti-grav unit >> working! >> No more crushed grannies! Just float over them! > Wow!, Levitation without having to join an eastern > religion, count me in

Er, thats a vital component, and possibly the only copyrighted part of the design. 8( I could of course knock up some kind of "consumer" version of the appropriate religion that would only need to be subscribed to to achieve levitation, something like the "Sunday Christians" kinda thing, indulged in for the tax breaks/networking etc. A mantra (or woman-tra) could be chanted to enable sufficient "belief" for the duration of the need for the end result. Other than that, its 2D mobility for you Buddy! ; — —- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike’s (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c – Have a nice day, it really does do you good!

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"Pete" wrote in message news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… > What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best > part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget > the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight > RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll > along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to > maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still > argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, > a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think > of it. > Opinions?

Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his skill. But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can be maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. I-Bots are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you like. Joanne

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– www.diy-nitrous.fsnet.co.uk/ All about nitrous and how to DIY! www.dynamometer.fsnet.co.uk/ All about Dynamometers www.powerchair-review.fsnet.co.uk/ Powerchairs reviews and Robots www.tuning.wanadoo.co.uk/ All about engine tuning! (for dummies) "Robert Green" wrote in message

news:hYadnRhaGZE-HJ7eRVn-pQ@rcn.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Burgerman" wrote in >> I already built one. > What’s its GCPH* rating? > *(Grannies Crushed Per Hour) > > — > Bobby G.

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"Burgerman" wrote in message

news:e1HOe.7$hR5.1@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Joanne Marinelli" wrote in message > news:JWEOe.658850$cg1.245255@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > "Pete" wrote in message > > news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… > >> What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best > >> part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget > >> the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight > >> RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll > >> along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to > >> maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still > >> argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, > >> a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think > >> of it. > >> Opinions? > > Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well > > matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s > > mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his > > skill. > > But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can be > > maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. > > I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. > > I-Bots > > are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you > > like. > > Joanne > Balancing is cheap to manufacture, it was the development that cost. It will > become much cheaper.

I am not objecting to the technology. I’ve read articles that people with muscular dystrophy love the bots. I am just not sure they’ll be good for all. I no longer work, except what I can earn on assignment as a freelancer, which for right now isn’t much. I started selling my writing in 99, and have earned somewhere in the range of 3k. And that amount in 6 years is not enough for me to be established. I do wish I had a career again, but it grows harder for me, and that affects self-reliance as much as the equipment does.

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What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think of it. Opinions?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MikesBrain wrote: > 2005-08-24, Responding to Pete… > [...] >>>I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. I-Bots >>>are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you like. >>The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the >>technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway >>for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment >>above might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. >>For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got. > Just wait till I get this GNU licenced anti-grav unit > working! > No more crushed grannies! Just float over them!

Wow!, Levitation without having to join an eastern religion, count me in > Sorry. Its late and I’m tired. :

Only mid afternoon here.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joanne Marinelli wrote: > "Pete" wrote in message news:4302aab2@duster.adelaide.on.net… >>What with all this talk of I-Bot’s of late, It got me thinking, the best >>part of the I-Bot is it’s ability to roll along on two wheels, forget >>the 4 wheel drive and the ability to climb stairs, Just have a straight >>RWD I-Bot that can stand up on it’s rear wheels, balance, and roll >>along, sort of a Segway with a seat, you’ll still have the ability to >>maim children and crush grannies, so Burgerman and MikesBrain can still >>argue about the relative safely, or not, of the chair, it’d be cheaper, >>a winner all round, hell I’m off to the patent office before J&J think >>of it. >>Opinions? > Well, patent issues aside, there are still some of us who aren’t so well > matriculated, do not have the funds for such bots, nor Burgerman’s > mechanical ability, and after years of lurking here I can only admire his > skill. > But the other issue is endurance. Not being an SCI, I don’t think I can be > maintained in an upright position for long periods of time. > I prefer something fast and easy to dismantle, and Quickies are that. I-Bots > are still things of privilege for a minority within a minority, if you like.

The above was written a bit tongue in cheek, While i do admire the technology behind the I-Bot, for the moment, i think they’re the Segway for the wheelchair set, simplifying it, as i suggested in my comment above might make it cheaper and move it mainstream. For the moment, like you, I’m sticking with what I’ve got. — Pete.

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Help protect domesticated US horses from slaughter

admin — Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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There has been an Illinois senator trying to stall this bill FOREVER. There are TWO slaughter houses in the US, both foreign owned. This is just SO important. I hope you all take a look. Here is more info to help you understand this issue (including nixing the idea that there is horsemeat in petfood so somewhat on topic). If anything, horse slaughter leads to thievery. Recently a thirteen year old girl’s prize pony was stolen from her pasture and SOLD for slaughter. This practice must stop: FACTS ABOUT HORSE SLAUGHTER * Last year three foreign-owned slaughter plants cruelly slaughtered more than 65,000 horses for human consumption in Europe and Asia. Tens of thousands more of America’s horses were exported and slaughtered in other countries. * Slaughter is NOT humane euthanasia. Horses suffer horribly on the way to and during slaughter. * Passage of the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (AHSPA) will reduce animal suffering – hence its wide support throughout the equestrian and veterinary world, as well as the humane community. * Americans overwhelmingly support an end to horse slaughter for human consumption (recent polls from Kentucky, Texas and Utah respectively show that 82, 72 and 69 percent of those questioned oppose the practice). In California, a 1998 ballot initiative (Prop. 6) banning horse slaughter for human consumption passed with 60 percent of the vote. 1. Sick and old horses to slaughter Question: Is it true that slaughter is only a last resort for infirm, dangerous or no longer serviceable horses? Answer: 92.3 percent of horses arriving at slaughter plants in this country are in "good" condition, according to the US Department of Agriculture’s Guidelines for Handling and Transporting Equines to Slaughter. 2. Neglect and abuse Question: Will horse abuse and neglect cases rise significantly following a ban on slaughter? Answer: There has been no documented rise in abuse and neglect cases in California since the state banned horse slaughter for human consumption in 1998. There is no documented rise in Illinois following closure of the state’s only horse slaughter plant in 2002. 3. Cost of caring for "unwanted horses." Question: If there is a ban on horse slaughter, will horse rescue and retirement groups have the resources to take care of unwanted horses? Should the government have to pay for the care of horses voluntarily given up by their owners? Answer: Not every horse currently going to slaughter will need to be absorbed into the rescue community – many will be sold to a new owner, others will be kept longer and a licensed veterinarian will humanely euthanize some. Opponents of this legislation admit passage of the bill will not necessarily lead to an increase in the number of horses sent to rescue facilities, precisely because humane euthanasia is so widely used. It is not the government’s responsibility to provide for the care of horses voluntarily given up by their owners, as these animals are private property. Hundreds of horse rescue organizations operate around the country, and additional facilities are being established (a list is available). 4. A safe and humane solution for sick, old and unwanted horses Question: If slaughter is not an option, what will we do with sick, old and "unwanted horses?" Answer: Approximately 690,000 horses die annually in this country (10 percent of an estimated population of 6.9 million) and the vast majority are not slaughtered, but euthanized and rendered or buried without any negative environmental impact instead. Humane euthanasia and carcass disposal is highly affordable and widely available. The average cost of having a horse humanely euthanized and safely disposing of the animal’s carcass is approximately $225, while the average monthly cost of keeping a horse is approximately $200. 5. Export of horses for slaughter abroad Question: If there is a ban on horse slaughter in the United States, will there be an increase in the export of horses for foreign slaughter? Will horses suffer from longer transport for slaughter in countries where there may be weaker welfare laws? Answer: Horse slaughter has declined dramatically in the United States over the past decade, but there has been no correlating increase in the number of American horses exported for slaughter abroad. Further, the AHSPA prohibits the export of horses for slaughter abroad, and contains clear enforcement and penalty provisions to prevent this from happening. Risk of federal prosecution and the high costs associated with illegally transporting horses long distances for slaughter abroad are strong deterrents. 6. Standards of care at sanctuaries and rescue organizations Question: Is it true no standards exist for horse rescue facilities that take unwanted horses? Answer: The Doris Day Animal League and the Animal Welfare Institute published "Basic Guidelines for Operating an Equine Rescue or Retirement Facility" in 2004. Additionally, the Association of Sanctuaries and the American Sanctuaries Association provide accreditation programs, a code of ethics and guidelines for the operation of sanctuaries and rescue organizations. Horse rescue groups must also provide for the welfare of horses in their custody in compliance with state and local animal welfare laws. 7. Use of horsemeat in pet food Question: If there is a ban on horse slaughter, will horsemeat no longer be available for pet food? Answer: There is no horsemeat in pet food. This practice stopped decades ago and has some connection to the enactment of protections for America’s wild horses in 1971. The US public and Congress were outraged to learn federal agencies were rounding up and allowing the exploitation and slaughter of these national treasures for items such as pet food. Some by-products of the horse slaughter industry are used in various consumer items, but they are derived from the rendering (a different process than slaughter and not affected by the AHSPA) of dead horses and other animals.

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Are you sure? I thought some of the Western states did! (During WW2 for certain, but I thought it was still true.)

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We managed to stop the wild mustang slaughter, but now this is about *domesticated* horses!!!! I thought you might be interested in this HSUS campaign to protect horses from slaughter. We don’t eat horsemeat Are you sure? I thought some of the Western states did! (During WW2 for certain, but I thought it was still true.)

If they do, it’s a rarity – can’t buy horsemeat in stores, so they would have to butcher it themselves. Plus, WWII was 60+ years ago – times have changed! See Karen’s posting with some of the more pertinate facts. — The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)

Question on Aivdyne / Garmin Integrated Avionics Packages

admin — Mon, 16 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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The G1000 application in the Mustang has been announced to be RVSM compliant. I am not sure whether a full FMS is in the cards right now, but it wouldn’t appear to be as tough to add as it is to older a less modern, less integrated system. Where, specifically, do you think the challenge will be? I can’t figure out what you think the bugaboo is.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s why I joined "FMS" and "RVSM" with an "and." Tim, O.K., I see your original point, now. As a data point, I fly jets all day that do not have FMS, but are RVSM equipped and do not lack any other "important" capabilities. Oh, I know. There are lots of air carrier round dial birds that are RVSM compliant. But, they had the requiste air data computers to begin with when they rolled off the assembly lines circa 1970-80, or so. I don’t know for a fact, but it seems that making one of these VLJs RVSM-compliant won’t be an easy task, and may not be done by the OEM at all. With a bird coming off the assembly line today without a full-press FMS/LNAV suite, I would wonder about the other expensive stuff required to be RVSM-compliant. The G1000 application in the Mustang has been announced to be RVSM compliant. I am not sure whether a full FMS is in the cards right now, but it wouldn’t appear to be as tough to add as it is to older a less modern, less integrated system. Where, specifically, do you think the challenge will be? I can’t figure out what you think the bugaboo is.

I know FMS’s are far less expensive today because they are basically a software package instead of a clunky box for that express purpose. The bugaboo I wonder about is air data processing, which is still no small feat. I also wonder about computed steering and flight guidance, and all such things that even have issues with the high-end systems, such as EPIC. And, I wonder most of all about a single-pilot managing all of this. But, I digress.

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The way the G1000 system is designed takes a lot of the problems out of FMS. In the past, there were many integration issues that the G1000 makes much simpler because you only need to integrate with your own product. Also, you don’t have to build your own custom chip anymore, as many off the shelf chips will work. The bottom line is that math is no longer a problem. If your math is too intense for a single box, you add one for your new feature. When I flew the G1000 I found it easier to manage than seperate boxes once I learned the system. It does change you from pilot to system manager, but you can pretty well manage everything by exception because all the faults show up in one place.

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That’s silly. RSVM has nothing to do with the FMS. Every day thousands of people and millions of boxes fly all over the world in jets with just two vors and an ILS. The G1000 includes a flight director and (unlike the Avidyne) can show attitude information on any of the displays. It has all the same capablities as other FMS systems. The only it is missing is an integrated autopilot, but that’s coming real soon now.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere that although these systems are very capable, they don’t have the "mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin systems are ok for recreational flights but can’t ever be used for regular commercial service. After looking at the functions of these systems, I can’t understand why this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21 offers that the less expensive systems don’t…. Thanks in advance, Jon The current installations of the G1000 and Avidyne systemes only have a single AHRS. You could still likely use them for charter though a redundant AHRS, as planned for the Mustang, would be a good idea.

Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System (FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities. A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to flight levels.

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The current installations of the G1000 and Avidyne systemes only have a single AHRS. You could still likely use them for charter though a redundant AHRS, as planned for the Mustang, would be a good idea. Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System (FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities. A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to flight levels.

I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples. The Mustang G1000 system will not be as limited as the 182’s. I have a lot to say about Cessna that is negative, but I haven’t yet seen anything that would lead me to believe that they are going to produce an unsafe jet.

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Tim, An FMS has absolutely nothing to do with *RVSM* capability. I fly around in the flight levels all day in jets that have nothing more than dual VOR’s and a very rudimentary IFR GPS. Happy Flying! Scott Skylane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System (FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities. A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to flight levels. Tim, An FMS has absolutely nothing to do with *RVSM* capability. I fly around in the flight levels all day in jets that have nothing more than dual VOR’s and a very rudimentary IFR GPS.

That’s why I joined "FMS" and "RVSM" with an "and."

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That’s why I joined "FMS" and "RVSM" with an "and."

Tim, O.K., I see your original point, now. As a data point, I fly jets all day that do not have FMS, but are RVSM equipped and do not lack any other "important" capabilities. Happy Flying! Scott Skylane

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Oh, I know. There are lots of air carrier round dial birds that are RVSM compliant. But, they had the requiste air data computers to begin with when they rolled off the assembly lines circa 1970-80, or so. I don’t know for a fact, but it seems that making one of these VLJs RVSM-compliant won’t be an easy task, and may not be done by the OEM at all. With a bird coming off the assembly line today without a full-press FMS/LNAV suite, I would wonder about the other expensive stuff required to be RVSM-compliant.

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Jon, I’m trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere that although these systems are very capable, they don’t have the "mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin systems are ok for recreational flights but can’t ever be used for regular commercial service. After looking at the functions of these systems, I can’t understand why this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21 offers that the less expensive systems don’t….

May be Autothrottle, VNAV, real FMC’s (able of computing optimized climb, cruise and descent based on cost indexes) and these kind of things? Proline is a very sophisticated, integrated package consisting of far more than what’s visible to the eye Perhaps one day Garmin, Avidyne et al will be on par, but today they are not. I don’t think they intend to be. Best Regards Kai

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I’m trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere that although these systems are very capable, they don’t have the "mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin systems are ok for recreational flights but can’t ever be used for regular commercial service. After looking at the functions of these systems, I can’t understand why this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21 offers that the less expensive systems don’t…. Thanks in advance, Jon

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In the versions for single piston engine planes, both the Avidyne Entegra and Garmin G1000 are lacking the full FMS and aircraft systems monitoring. The versions for the Eclipse and Mustang will be as capable as those in any other small business jet. What do you think you mean by ‘regular commercial service’ ? Neither of these systems are marketed at part 121 aircraft.

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How much is the Proline? I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin systems are ok for recreational flights but can’t ever be used for regular commercial service.

Where in hell did you get that? After looking at the functions of these systems, I can’t understand why this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21 offers that the less expensive systems don’t….

I think someone is jerking your chain.

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Dog defecates during walks

admin — Thu, 12 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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HOWEDY diddler, Nature when we can hardly control ourselves (and thinking that it’s wiser to FORCE a dog to obey, rather than make him WANT to do so is just an example of such madness) may some day make our species as extinct as the dinosaurs. Well, this is where we disagree.

Yeah, but you’re a dog lover, diddler. And you’re a subsistance hunter. Any good trainer

Like youreslf, diddler? will find a way to motivate the dog to want to do what we want them to.

Yeah. You choke shock lock them in boxes in an HOWEtbuilding and murder your dogs, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY, REMEMBER diddler <{) ; ~ ) ? And I find most of the people you mention in the same class as Jerry.

That so, diddler? What class is THAT? It AIN’T the same class your mentally retarded kid goes to, is it, diddler? Their egos are just as big.

Your kid got a I.Q. of 76. REMEMBER, diddler? Your dogs are DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) They are insecure that they have to one up everyone

It AIN’T HARD TO DO, diddler. All The INSECURE Wizard gotta do is QUOTE YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY of HURTING INTIMDIATING and MURDERIN innocent critters. REMEMBER NHOWE, diddler? and try to totally demolish them

By QUOTING YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY of HURTING INIMIDATING and MURDERING dogs, diddler. to prove they are better trainers

The Amazing Puppy Wizard CITES the REPORTS from HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS from all over the WHOWEL WILD WORLD, like Lucy, diddler <{) ; ~ ) and if that fails,

CITES PLEASE? The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER had a FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student FAIL, diddler. They ALL REPORT 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS. call them liars.

You mean the MENTAL CASES call The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students LIARS. REMEMBER, diddler? But both Jerry and the "rest" DO try to motivate their dogs to WANT to behave in the manner we desire.

That so? That’s NOT HOWE your mentally ill pals say it. If you believe Jerry’s speil that they hurt their dogs,

You mean, like HOWE YOU DO, diddler? then shame on you.

INDEED? Lucy don’t HURT and INTIMIDATE her dogs, diddler. You are equally gullible.

IN FACT, Lucy DID HER OWN RESEARCH, diddler. She SEEN FOR HERSELF that The Amazing Puppy Wizard was tellin the TRUTH abHOWET HOWE you HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent critters, diddler. Do I believe Jerry is worse than the others?

You’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active acute long term incurable mental case, diddler. I believe in my heart all of them suffer from some mental instabilities.

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students, diddler? But Jerry’s is over the top.

You mean on accHOWENT of HE TEACHES FOLKS HOWE to get 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS withHOWET HURTIN noWON EXXXCEPT the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases HE QUOTES, diddler? I don’t dislike Jerry,

Well THAT’S KINDLY of you, diddler! and except for his spiking temperatures theory

You mean THIS?: RIGHT. IT’S A NORMAL VISCERAL RESPONSE: "Studies from the Sports MEdicine center at Auburn indicate that the temperature of a working Lab routinely rises to 106 in the course of about ten minutes’ work. The dog then needs to cool off as sustained high temperature can be dangerous." There are some interesting studies of body temperature. A working Lab’s body temperature apparently goes up to about 106 within the first ten minutes of work. Sorry, MaryBeth and all, I forget that you don’t see threads the same way as I do….I did answer you but it was in an Ed W. to Jerry reply. Webtv shows threads w/o branching all replies are linear not by subject ( so a thread called Jerry Howe? that has multiple subject lines like Was or OT still are in the same thread.) I found where the incorrectly posted info came from http://www.ptialaska.net/~prid

Two pups at once?

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Question:

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter

brothers) The Amazing Puppy Wizard highly recommends raising two same age pups together as it makes training FASTER and EZIER on accHOWENT of they learn from each other AS REPORTED BY The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End dog Training Method Manual Students all over the HOWEL WILD WORLD. You remember, you call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES on accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s CASE HISTORIES PROVES EVERY THING you think you know abHOWET dogs and behavior is DEAD WRONG. You’ll do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right to hurt intimidate and murder innocend crittres Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) at once?

You mean LIKE THIS?: Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader. Sorry that slipped my mind. I have read volumes of training books and don’t know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof. Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over. Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn’t need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis. Nice side benefit there. It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs. I tried it and it didn’t work and guess what? I was at my "Whits End" then someone I knew turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history. I referred friends and families to Jerry’s manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit. I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days. Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple. Mike I’m considering buying two sighthound pups

Good. and would like some advice,

The OP evidently hasn’t been readin HOWER forums, has she, Master Of Deception blankman. PERHAPS you’ll give us some ADVICE with which The Amazing Puppy Wizard can RIDICULE and IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you WON MOORE TIME, you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) ; ~ ) but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

That’s IRRELEVENT on accHOWENT of the only folks the OP would likely be comin across are dog abusing mental cases like yourself, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) Yes.

INDEEDY? I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ THAT’S on accHOWENT of you’re a incompetent fool a liar a dog abuser a coward and actue active long term incurabel MENTAL CASE, and PERHAPS we’ll PROVE IT RIGHT HERE? I’ve been told over and over again that two same-sex pups at once is bound to cause: 1: Waaay too much work 2: Hierarchy fights from adolescence on 3: Separation anxiety when the dogs are separated, no matter how much I train them separately …and the list goes on. Those are the risks.

That so? CITES PLEASE? YOu’re full of crap. You had PROBLEMS with EVERY dog you’ve ever abused you freakin MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) You might be successful and vaoid them.

You mean dependin on HOWE her LUCK is runnin you freakin DHOWEBLE talkin lying dog abuser? But then you might not.

That so? You mean if she locks her dogs in a box and jerks and chokes them on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar with custom knitted cover up like HOWE you done your own dogs you miserable lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) FRom my perspective

You’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case. one of the things is that because of the nature of the relationship

That so? You mean the nature of an abused dog, Master Of Deceptin blankman <{) ; ~ ) at least one of those puppies will never really get a chance to fully blossom and develop.

CITES PLEASE? YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP. That is becausse it will always be inrelationship to the other.

That so? Accordin to your MENTALLY ILL LOGIC people can’t raise two same aged chidren, if we was to use your DOG BEHAIVORISM as a model for human behavior as Pavlov and The Amazing Puppy Wizard amongst other researchers do <{) ; ~ ) They all tell me I should get one pup now and another in 1-4 years (i.e. some say 1-2 years, others say 3-4).

That’s SHEER IDIOCY on accHOWET of those dog abusers got NO METHOD to pupperly handle raise and train their dogs. ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING not BREED or #’s of dogs bein raised <{) ; ~ ) Yes.

CITES PLEASE? I myself don’t see how two brothers will automatically fight for

dominance, That’s on accHOWENT of there AIN’T NO SUCH THING as "DOMINANCE." Supposed "DOMINANCE" is FEAR AGGRESSION <{) ; ~ ) They don’t "automatically" fight.

All FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{) ; ~ ) Some live in harmony, some in close bonding,

That so? You mean dependin on HOWE your LUCK is runnin? some in small skimishes and some in all out battles to the death.

That’s on accHOWENT of locking dogs in boxes and chokin and shocking and bribing and intimidating them, Master Of Deception blankman. ALL AGGRESSION IS LEARNED <{) ; ~ ) if I raise/train them with that possibility in mind.

We’ll DISCUSS all the traditional methods of abusing a critter and then there’ll be NO PROBLEM on accHOWENT of decent people WON’T DO what you been doin to your own fear aggressive hyper HOWETA CON-TROLL crittres, Master OF Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) ; ~ ) And I could get the same problem if I got a mild tempered pup first and then a more dominant pup later.

ONLY IF SHE ABUSED THEM as you been teachin HOWER readers to ABUSE THEIR DOGS JUST LIKE HOWE you’ve abused yours, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) Well dogs are dogs.

That so? Then HOWE COME you differentiate between and blame BREED TENDENCIES as the REASON HOWE COME you can’t train some dogs? You’re full of crap. They have instinctive patterns of behavior.

That so? They also aren’t human so they don’t have the same responses to

situations. That so? CITES PLEASE? That’s CONtraWIZE to SCIENCE, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) In the scenario you describe the most likely outcome is

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Trainng Method Manual Students GET 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESS as they REPORT RIGHT HERE. You call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of they DISCREDIT you and EVERY THING you think you know abHOWET dogs and training. the first pup gives way to the second without much of a battle

You mean in their DOMINANCE P-HOWER struggles, Master Of Deception blankman? THAT ONLY HAPPENS when DOG ABUSERS hurt intimidate crate bribe punish and ignore their dog’s cries when you lock them in a box on accHOWENT of you ain’t got the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog EVEN AFTER The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the HOWEL WILD WORLD TOLD YOU HOWE THEY DONE IT EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot. You call them LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of EVERY THING WE SAY PROVES you’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) because they are hardwired to respect a leader.

That so? Is THAT HOWE COME your punk thug coward mental case pals dogs TURN ON THEM Master Of Deception blankman? The problem might come if they are less distinct.

That so? Care to EXXXPLAIN what you mean by "LESS DISTINCT"? The more alike the dogs in size, age, sex, …. the bigger the risks of issues.

Well since ALL AGGRESSION is FEAR and ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, two EQUAL or "LESS DISTINCT" dogs would be LESS LIKELY to FEAR and ATTACK EACH OTHER. UNLESS of curse, you’d be C-HOWENTING on a LARGER dog DOMINATING a smaller dog so you don’t have to TRAIN them, like HOWE you punk thug coward mental cases PREFER your kats to train your dogs. You’re full of crap, Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) Why go through the puppy stage even once?

You think gettin a USED dog is WIZE? The OP WANTS a pup. She WANTS TWO PUPS. You don’t think ANY pups is reasonable. There are lots of wonderful dogs out there that will bond with you every bit as much as a puppy.

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HOWEDY racetrack silly,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

BWEEEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! Might have better LUCK askin HOWE many of HOWER DOG LOVERS have MURDERED two same age pups for temperament problems like fassen is fixin to do to her Mastiff. Yes. I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!! [snip IDIOCY] Just recognize that *some* of those risks, if they actually occur, can impair the dog for life. It might not happen. All might be well. But if it does happen it is the dog that pays the price. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead! Diane Blackman I wouldn’t want to get two brothers now, and see them turn into unhappy, dysfunctional dogs because I didn’t have the wits to listen to advice. "Sighthound" is not a breed.

BWEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! What breed of dog are you thinking of getting?

A dog is a dog. Also, since you’re considering sighthounds, what are your living arrangements?

THAT’S ABSURD! Mustang Sally

LIKE THIS: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." HOWEDY racetrack silly, you lyin dog abusing mental case, "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." PATHETIC, eh Soup?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn Gwen, don’t mince words or anything. I will assume, from the above, that in your eyes, I am not trustworthy to rescue Boxers or make decisions on who gets to adopt them…having killed my own dog and all. You’re not the only one. After numerous training classes, behavioral consultations, and hundreds of dollars in vet bills, I killed my Dalmatian several years ago due to extreme dog-aggressiveness. Did you have to pay for it, or did the local Animal Protection League, where you were board President while 70% of the animals coming in for rescue were being killed, give you a freebie? Either she was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with the rock steady temperament, or Tasha was going to kill her, right in front of us. My DH’s first dog, and still the canine love of his life. Good thing that Gwen is perfect in her stewardship of her animals. Gwen didn’t murder her own dog. You and Tara O. did. michael live.. dogtv.comn Mustang Sally

Sally Hennessey Probably because they grab on and WON’T let go. Not that they can lock their jaws…just that they won’t let go of the chewie/arm/whatever.

I had a Dalmatian like that. Better ban Dals, huh? Sally Hennessey YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD Dalmatian… "I’ll bet you don’t know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don’t contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Nope. No more than you’d convince Patch that prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our own dogs and their reactions better than someone who has never seen them or us…hmmm. I’m starting to see some similarities here. Sally Hennessey

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences in dogs’ temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist. What it means is that you don’t know as much about dogs as you think you do, and you surely don’t know a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else’s dog here. I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her. I know that that dog is not unique, and I’m sure many people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer (at least I guess that’s what you meant by "you cause your dog suffers" – - must be the King’s English you guys talk about over there) means that you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth further notice. Sally Hennessey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ultimately unfair to the dog) to leave something as important (particularly to a breed like a BC) as exercise and training to someone else (yes, even a spouse, or perhaps especially a spouse) unless there is proof, in the form of experience, that that someone else will come through. Sally Hennessey I mostly agree with you Sally about this. Certainly it is ideal for the person who owns the dog to be the one exercising and giving mental stimulation. But there are times in which a person is not physically able, which apparently seems to be the case, at that point I personally think it would be better to find another individual to help out rather than not doing anything at all.

It’s true that circumstances do change, and people can’t do what they could before. Definitely it would be better for someone to exercise the dog than no one, and I didn’t mean to suggest that if the owner can’t do it, then no one should. I meant that one should not get a dog requiring lots of exercise and mental stimulation if one cannot meet those needs. IOW, Leah shouldn’t have gotten a BC with the understanding that her husband would take care of the exercise and training needs. However, Leah said that it was actually her husband who wanted a BC, and he promised to exercise and train her. I guess it depends on one’s experience; IME, I’m the one doing the training, so next time my DH wants a Dalmatian and promises to train it, I won’t believe him. Sally Hennessey "My spayed Siberian bitch marks and covers all over the place, as did my spayed Dalmatian bitch. The Borzoi doesn’t, but she is *extremely* submissive." Sally Hennessey "Oops, hit "send" too fast. Of course bitches in season are advertising, so that type of behavior might be typical of Murphy. And some folks think that spaying actually increases dominant/aggressive behavior in bitches that were dominant/aggressive beforehand, so perhaps marking behavior also increases in those bitches." Sally Hennessey I didn’t mean to suggest that we don’t love our poop-eaters; of course, we do. If we were on that show (The Secret Shame…), we would be seen frantically dodging leaping Whippets trying to plant kisses as close as possible to our mouths. And I will admit that the night Robin barfed up poop, he spent the night in his crate, not in bed with us. Just couldn’t chance a recurrence. Sally Hennessey

Dalmatian that would position himself behind the Greyhounds and catch…Being a Dal, he was sometimes a little harder to love to begin with. "fter Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I’ve posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Take it out of context and you’d think I was flinging puppies across the room! here’s what I said (keep in mind that we’re talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he’s very persistant.

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I’d phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet’s

Response:

HOWEDY fassen, "Fassen" wrote Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area. We have two 7 month old Jack Russell Terriers. They are not littermates, but from the same breeder and born two days apart.

HOWER EXXXPERTS sez any ETHICKAL BREEDER won’t sell two same age / sex pups to any other than a ETHICKAL BREEDER who knows HOWE to pupperly manage two same age pups <{) ; ~ ) They are also one male and one female. Not exactly what you’re asking about, but still two pups at once.

And the same same same same RESULTS as all the others. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at 4 weeks. Here’s Leigh’s pups at 4 MONTHS still not HOWEsbroken: "We now have two 16 week old JR pups. They’ve been here nearly two weeks and are almost housetrained already." Ain’t no such thing as ALMOST HOWEstrained <{) ; ~ ) "Having their own dog door and the freedom to come in and out has probably helped with that." You’d THINK. ObviHOWESLY there’s SUMPTHIN stoppin her dogs from HOWEsbreakin themselves according to Nature’s INNATE INSTINCTIVE PERFECT HOWEsbreaking program <{) ; ~ ) Leigh, Oh, I love a balanced pro/con list.

INDEED? Must be my old work experience as a research secretary that kick

in… For SHORE! As a EXXXPERIENCED RESEARCHER noDHOWET fassen has READ HOWER EXXXPERT’S POSTED CASE HISTORIES in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives <{) ; ~ ) Let’s see: Two JRTs, adolescents, boy/girl, not siblings but grown up together from infancy. The differences from my prospective future with two sighthounds (Sloughis) are – – among other things: 1: I’ll have two males, 2: they’ll be a lot larger than JRTs (funnily enough, they’ll be as tall as my mastiff, but it’d take three of them to equal his weight…), and 3: they have the nature of the rather aloof sighthound rather than the "I own the world" confidence of a terrier. Likenesses, sort of: 1: They have boundless energy – especially as pups. But unlike the JRT, the adult Sloughi is calm in the house.

The PROBLEMS HOWER DOG LOVERS have with JRT’s is CAUSED BY REPRESSION, not the BREED. A dog is a dog. Disadvantages: Cost! Buying, vaccinating, spaying etc as they both need things done at the same time.

Of curse, DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE their dogs for non medical puporses <{) ; ~ ) Training: Hard to do as you have to take them separately.

Well that’s a load of crap, ain’t it, according to the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students you’ve no DHOWET RESEARCHED in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives <{) ; ~ ) With the best of intentions, this still does not always happen.

On accHOWENT of training two dogs at WON time is nearly IMPOSSIBLE. At least when we go to the actual training school there are two of us, so we can take a dog each. You don’t have that, unless you can rope a friend into coming each week.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!! Training: This is the thing that most posters have stressed so far.

INDEED? Oh, you mean from the EXXXPERTS who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs. This is also what concerns me the most.

LikeWIZE. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS" <{) ; ~ ) I will not be able to take them out separately every day.

Good, on accHOWENT of the idea is sheer IDIOCY. I should be able to coax a friend into taking one when we go to training school, however.

BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!! If not, I have another friend who’s currently taking classes as a dog trainer.

"Birds of a feather," eh fassen? And I’ve been told by many people

By lying dog absuing mental cases… that I have achieved remarkable obedience with my mastiff,

Your Mastiff is DYING from TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS caused by STRESS from TRAINING and he’s PROBABLY got a BAD CASE of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) although he never went to dog school.

INDEED? But my mastiff is a totally different kind of dog than a sighthound.

I expect the training to be the biggest workload by far. No. "A DOG IS A DOG." Then there’s the Sloughi’s guarding instinct.

We don’t DISCRIMINATE amongst breeds noMOORE. Two males will make quite a challenge in training them not to guard excessively.

That’s ABSURD. That said, no two dogs will ever match the guarding instinct of my

mastiff. A dog is a dog. And I’ve succeeded very well in handling that,

That so? Your Mastiff is DYIN at 3 y. o. using only positive reinforcement.

That so? But still, the guarding instinct will most probably be an issue that I’ll have to work on.

No. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, as in the case of your FEAR AGGRESSIVE Mastiff, whom you’re fixin to MURDER on accHOWENT of his TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS according to your own posted case history. Energy: They have sooooo much of it and can go totally crazy together at times.

THAT’S ABSURD. Energy: The breeder tells me that her sighthounds can get into fits of craziness in the house, throwing raw meaty bones in the air and catching them, and bouncing off the furniture. This I’m *not* used to. What I’m used to is being pawed at, stepped on, head butted, and body slammed by my playful 155 lbs mastiff, who believes he’s still a pup.

No. Your dog DISRESPECTS YOU on accHOWENT of HOWE you TRAINED HIM. Ever heard of ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR? If you pupperly handled and trained your Mastiff he’d treat you with the SAME RESPECT, or Vice Versa, fassen, university trained RESEARCHER <{) ; ~ ) One of the reasons I would like to have two pups is because I’d like them to play with eachother rather than need me to fill that role all the time.

Well THAT’S TYPICAL of HOWER DOG LOVERS. But I will nevertheless have to prepare myself for some serious explosions of raw energy. And maybe it’s just be too much?

THAT kind of behavior is CAUSED by MISHANDLING, not puppy’s. But then again, that’d easily be the case even if I got a second pup at a later time.

INDEEDY! THE SAME SAME SAME SAME as you SEE in your RESEARCH. Companionship: They can become too attached.

That’s a other faerie tail. We haven’t had to deal with this as a problem yet, but may have to at some point.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Companionship: Another one of my concerns. I can easily place one pup with friends and focus on the other for a weekend or so. But leaving one at home while taking the other one out will be worse, as the one at home will be alone.

Well THAT’S SHEER IDIOCY <{) ; ~ ) I honestly haven’t though about that until now,

INDEEDY, on accHOWENT of the PROBLEM DOESN’T EXIST unless you ABUSE your dogs like the EXXXPERTS you’ve been RESEARCHING, university trained intellectual <{) ; ~ ) and it definitely requires some more thinking.

Well then, CASE CLOSED, eh fassen? But again, this could become a problem even with two dogs of different ages.

INDEEDY. But ONLY if you’re a dog abuser on accHOWENT of separation anXXXIHOWESNESS is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING not BAD DOGS <{) ; ~ ) Advantages: Companionship: They always have a friend when we are out (at work etc). They are obviously the best of friends.

THAT’S NOT TYPICAL of HOWER EXXXPERT’S POSTED CASE HISTORIES. IS IT, university trained research assistant <{) ; ~ ) Companionship: This is the main reason why I’d like to have two pups at once. One pup growing up alone seems a bit unnatural to me, and I’m concerned about the dog getting too attached to me as it’d be only me and him in the home.

That’s absurd. Separation anxiety is a potential problem.

No. Separation anXXXIHOWESNESS got NUTHIN to do with SEPARATION, it’s CAUSED by locking dogs in boxes and SUPERVISING and MANAGING and PUNISHING BAD BEHAVIORS <{) ; ~ ) SAME SAME as FEAR of THUNDER and CAR SICKNESS, but you’ll have to research those issues yourself, RESEARCH ASSOCIATE <{) ; ~ ) Some single Sloughis get so attached to their owners that they become seriously depressed when left alone.

No. They FEAR their ABUSER’S RETURN. They FEAR bein ALONE on accHOWETN of there’s NO CON-TROLLER to TAKE CHARGE of them and SCOLD and INTIMDIATE them in their absence. If you put a recording on tellin the dog "NO!" "GET OFF!" "DON’T!" "STOP THAT!" every five minutes the dog WOULD NOT HAVE separation anXXXIHOWESNESS on accHOWENT of he’d FEEL like his abuser was settin right there abusing and threatengin him <{) ; ~ ) This is a hound that thrives in the company of other hounds. And I am a person who is happiest in a home with more than one dog.

No. You’re a person who’s only interested in herself. Fun: The way they play together, and with us, is often more fun than just one dog can be, just by the fact that there are two so there are different interactions possible. Fun: I’m always happy to watch two dogs play together. And with sighthounds who can’t be off leash unless there’s a fence,

You mean on accHOWETN of your RESEARCH SEZ that a sightHOWEND cannot be TRAINED to come off lead. they’d be able to blow off steam more easily as a pair.

THAT’S A SYMPTOM OF HYPERACTIVITY FROM REPRESSION. BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! And I’m thinking that maybe, with a bit of effort, I’d be able to unleash one of them in a large field and let him run while the other one is leashed.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is that hopefully the one off leash wouldn’t take off

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HOWEDY fassen,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once?

You’re a university trained multi lingual intellectual and owner of a 3 y.o. Mastiff who’s suffering from neck injuries sustained as a puppy and will likely not survive another year <{) : ~ ) PERHAPS if you knew what The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World KNOWS, your dog would be in good heelth and you’d be lookin forward to gettin the pair of tiny dogs as soon as they’re ready to leave the litterbox at SIX WEEKS as The Amazing Puppy Wizard and Scott & Fuller recommend <{); ~ ) I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice,

So, having done your DUE DILLIGENCE you’ve read the posted case histories of the EXXXPERTS you’re askin for advice and are familiar with the nature of the Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Coward And Active Acute Long Term Incurable MENTAL CASES you’re askin for advice for THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS THEY GOT and CAN’T TRAIN, fassen <{) ; ~ ) THAT’S a SYMPTOM of MENTAL ILLNESS. You’ve INHERITED it from you mommy and daddy <{) ; ~ ) EITHER THAT, or they TAUGHT IT TO YOU, "nature Vs nurture" notwithstandin, HOWEver <{) ; ~ ) but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

INDEED? The EXXXPERTS you’re askin HAVE EXXXPERIENCE. They HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER DOGS <{) : ~ ( THAT’S HOWE COME they’re tellin you NOT to do what The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The HOWEL WILD WORLD REPORT DOIN RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY <{) ; ~ ) You’re settin in it <{): – ( Yes. I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

THAT’S TYPICAL of HOWER EXXXPERT DOG LOVER’S RESULTS <{) : ~ ( [snip] My guess is that you will do it regardless of the advice received From lying dog abusing mental cases <{) ; ~ ) because you have decided that is what you want to do.

Oh? Not on accHOWENT of it’s the most efficient way to raise two pups on accHOWENT of they learn from each other AS STATED in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORTS RIGHT HERE <{) ; ~ ) You understand the down sides.

There AIN’T NO DHOWEN SIDES IF YOU DON’T LOCK THEM IN BOXES AND JERK AND CHOKE THEM ON PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLARS AND SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE AND BRIBE CRATE INTIMIDATE AND WITHHOLD ATTENTION AFFECTION AND "REWARDS" *(THERE AIN’T NO SUCH THING AS REWARDS. DOIN a behaivor its THE REWARD, not a TREAT or PAT AFTER THE FACT when the dog AIN’T NO MOORE THINKIN abHOWET IT), EXXXCEPT FOR THEM GETTIN OLD TOGETHER <{) ; ~ ) Now you are looking for people who will tell you that all thaose risks are just hog wash

THAT’S CORRECT, an lo an behold, SHE FHOWEND THEM RIGHT HERE, but fassen WON’T REPLY on accHOWENT of DECNT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) and that you can succeeed in your plans.

YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?: Alan, The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it. He isn’t PC and that pisses people off. The fact is that I have used his FREE methods and they DO in fact work. What a crock of shit relating his methods to a science experiment. Yes, the man is a cross posting menace and has proly smoked too many batts in his day but he has the canine species best interest at heart and doesn’t profit from his point of view. He is a selfless advocate for dogs and that’s enough for me to respect the man no matter how controversial he gets. Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

INDEEDY! JUST LIKE THAT. AND LIKE THIS:

Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:33 PM HOWERDY Group, Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRYS MANUAL 1) My dogz, two bitches – Vicious, barking, agressive, pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerrys manual, they were calm, friends, my companions. 2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the girls had -NO PROBLEMS-with him from the moment I dropped him by their noses. 3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRYS MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVENT BARKED ONCE! Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS ! 4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH – lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE ! 5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT – HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK – ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS FOR SALE ! Quite amazing to – I thought they were just dull coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly. 6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER BALL! She carried it around all day and night – 3 DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS it when u ASK her to! BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA!!!! Nevyn Nevyn writes:

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HOWEDY andrea, Your dogs GOT TEMPERAMENT and BEHAIVOR PROBLEMS on accHOWENT of you’re a dog abuser and idiot, not on accHOWENT of dogs have INNATE TENDENCIES to FIGHT. DOGS FIGHT WHEN THEY’RE AFRAID. DOGS GET AFRAID WHEN YOU HURT THEM. THAT’S HOWE COME your dogs GOT the PROBLEMS THEY GOT. You’re a FOOL. And you’re a dog abusing coward liar and active mental case. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area. I’ve done it. I don’t recommend it. I’ve been told over and over again that two same-sex pups at once is bound to cause: 1: Waaay too much work Too much is entirely subjective. However if you have a job (and I suspect you do) it’s rather difficult to give each puppy all of the ~individual~ time it needs. This is more than just being with/playing with/watching them. You have to take the dog out, by itself and get him used to different people, places and things. And then there’s training which really needs to be done individually. 2: Hierarchy fights from adolescence on Very possible unless you are lucky. I kept litter sisters and thankfully they are naturally very different in terms of where they want to fit into the pack. Make sure you neuter the boys or else you could be in trouble when a bitch comes into heat. Also make sure the breeder is willing to take one back in case you find you can’t deal with both. 3: Separation anxiety when the dogs are separated, no matter how much I train them separately This is the one that nailed me. Brenna, one of the two, has some serious separation anxiety. She doesn’t need to be with her sister, or even me, my husband or one of the other dogs (I have a total of 5) specifically but it has to be _someone_. She never got used to being alone and leaving her at the vet’s is an ordeal. If you do this, you MUST make sure that the dogs are separated for hours at a time and over night on cccasion as youngsters so that they learn to handle it. And I don’t mean in different areas of the apartment. You’ll need someone to take one, and then the other so that they learn independence from you and their littermate. I myself don’t see how two brothers will automatically fight for dominance, if I raise/train them with that possibility in mind. Training will have very little to do with it. It’s more dependent on their innate temperaments. It’s also easier to have two dogs of opposite sex. And I could get the same problem if I got a mild tempered pup first and then a more dominant pup later. You could have the same problem, but unlikely in the specific instance you mention. IME, if you have dogs that are of obviously differing "seats" in the heirarchy, you run into less problems. I’m lucky in that my dogs do not want to occupy the same spaces in our pack. My oldest are a clear dominant male and a Beta female. Then there are her daughters, the dominant female and the omega female. And then there’s Zepar, who may offer a bit of a challenge but is not a dominant male. Delphi, the oldest bitch, gave way readily to her daughter because Delphi really has no desire to lead. It’s when you have two dogs that both want to be tops that you have issues. So, does anyone have any experience to share? Puppies are always more work than you think they’ll be. Trust me. Seriously, as someone who’s done it twice I recommend one puppy at a time. You always feel like someone is getting short changed, and they probably are. If you live alone it can be overwhelming to always have to deal with them both. Training is constant. The positives are that they do entertain each other and keep each other busy sometimes, and they offer eadch other companionship. I wouldn’t give up any of my dogs but if I had it to do over I would get puppies one at a time. I’m glad Zepar is the only puppy I have right now. He’s more than enough. — -Andrea Stone Saorsa Basenjis http://www.trollsnest.com/saorsa

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HOWEDY flick you lying dog abusing mental case,

funky foot has had EVERY temperament and behavior problem in creation. That said, I would not attempt it with two males (or two females),

That’s on accHOWENT of she’s a IDIOT. and I REALLY would not attempt it with large dogs.

BWEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!! suja’s and kelly aka culprits OPPOSITE SEX DOGS ATTACKED EACH OTHER on accHOWENT of they’re dog abusing mental cases <{) ; ~ ) I absolute agree with this.

Yeah, but you’re a lying dog abusing mental case yourself. I have multiple dogs.

You hurt intimidate and murder dogs and lie abHOWET it. You can run into problems with 2 dogs the same sex,

That so? Only if you MISHANDLE them. even if spayed/neutered.

Like THAT, for EXXXAMPLE. S/N makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE. And I can say from experience that it is difficult for one person alone to separate 2 big dogs that are fighting.

Yeah. THAT’S HOWE COME we train them NOT to FEAR EACH OTHER. Easiest way is for 2 people, each grabs a tail and pulls.

The EZiest way is to NOT HURT and INTIMIDATE the dogs and they WON’T LEARN FEAR, flick. The dogs FIGHT on accHOWENT of you SCARE them with your IDIOCY and PUNISHMENT <{) ; ~ ) One person, get a leash, tie one dog, then get the other dog off the tied dog.

Good luck, flick. Too much time, possibility for serious injury, etc.

Yeah. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches NON PHYSICAL techniques to handle and train all dogs and all behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY, flick <{) ; ~ ) Small dogs, grab one with each hand. Easy, by comparison.

It’d be much EZier to simply PRAISE THEM and they’ll not be AFRAID. Not to say that all same-sex dogs will fight.

That so? You punks can’t even train opposite sex dogs not to fear each other. Not at all.

Dog trainin AIN’T LUCK, flick. But I’m just sayin’.

You’re blowin smoke up HOWER arses again, flick you dog abusing lyin mental case. IMO if the OP particularly wants to have two dogs, check the humane

orgs and rescues. You mean BUY a couple dogs from mental cases like you, flick. I frequently see dogs posted that MUST go in a pair to the same

home, Yeah? Pretty fance beggin, eh? as they’re inseparable pals.

Yeah. Like janet’s STUDENT nessa’s dogs, eh flick? Would you place those two with their record of TURNING on their abuser thanks to janet’s trainin? That way you get your 2 dogs that are compatible (hopefully).

Yeah. Imagine havin the two of them beasts attackin you for intimidating them like they was taught by janet and sinofabitch <{) ; ~ ) flick 100785

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box.

I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?)

Response:

HOWEDY Fassen, Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers)

at once? The Amazing Puppy Wizard highly recommends it. Makes training them FAST and EZ on accHOWENT of they COPY each other both learning and extinguishing behaivors <{) ; ~ ) It’s called allelomimetic behavior <{) ; ~ ) I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

You AIN’T gonna be gettin on doGgamened advice from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog abusing Punk Thug Coward MENTAL CASE pals you’re askin here abHOWETS. EVERY WON of them who’s replied to this thread HURTS INTIMDIATES and MURDERS dogs and LIES abHOWET IT. The MENTAL CASE "flick" calls herself a "RESCUE" shocks her dogs and MURDERS dogs that she FEARS when they OBJECT to bein HURT and INTIMDIATED and locked in a box. The Amazing Puppy Wizard ANSWERED ALL of your questions in HIS reply to Master Of Deception blankman. READ IT and you’ll see that they’re blowin smoke up HOWER arses again <{) ; ~ ) Funny thing is, nobody has ever said anything about potential *positive* sides of having two pups at once.

That’s not true. The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Trainng Method Manual Students REPORT EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE of EVERY THING these MENTAL CASES are tellin us. I can think of several, with "company and playmate" being number 1.

INDEEDY. Read The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s reply to Master Of Deception blankman and you’ll SEE FOR YOURSELF that we’re being LIED TO by MENTAL PEOPLE who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET it. So, does anyone have any experience to share?

ALL the INFORMATION you need to know is in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) STUDY and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY: http://makeashorterlink.com/?E183232FA Cheers,

LikeWIZE <{) ; ~ ) Rox

REMEMBER: DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) Alan, The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it. He isn’t PC and that pisses people off. The fact is that I have used his FREE methods and they DO in fact work. What a crock of shit relating his methods to a science experiment. Yes, the man is a cross posting menace and has proly smoked too many batts in his day but he has the canine species best interest at heart and doesn’t profit from his point of view. He is a selfless advocate for dogs and that’s enough for me to respect the man no matter how controversial he gets. Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti- shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. admit to buying and having success with his little black box.

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Hello People, Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till … read more »

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Introducing New Dog to Household Cats

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Question:

HOWEDY tara o. aka tee, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, as a matter of fact, I did have the impression that Clyde has a pretty high prey drive – why is that? Because he simply loves to chase, catch and "kill" a toy. He would do ANYTHING to get you to throw it for him, so that he can chase, catch and "kill" it – again and again and again. Every dog has *some* level of prey drive.

You mean like HOWE your own DEAD DOG Summer liked to attack children on accHOWENT of you locked IT in a box when the neighbor’s kids came to visit and you jerked and choked her and sprayed aversives in her face to keep IT quiet, tara o. aka tee? Just as every dog has *Some* level of pack drive.

That so? You mean a dog is a dog, tara o. aka tee? For most dogs, the pack drive will supersede the prey drive.

That so? CITES PLEASE? That’s SHEER IDIOCY, tara o. aka tee. You been takin your kid’s anti psychotic medication, tara o. aka tee? My own GSD (R.I.P.) would have chased (and possibly mauled, if not killed) any cat he came across out in public.

On accHOWENT of you didn’t know HOWE to train IT to BE NICE. BUt my own two cats at home were never in any danger from him.

RIGHT. THAT’S on accHOWENT of you CONSTANTLY PUNISHED your dog IN THE HOWES but couldn’t HOWEtside on accHOWENT of you couldn’t HURT and INTIMDIATE IT EVERY TIME pryor to gettin HOWETA CON-TROLL, tara o. aka tee. THAT’S HOWE COME dogs attak their own kats HOWEtside yet won’t, inside… BWEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! And he would fetch a ball for HOURS on end without ever purging his desire for the chase. But his pack drive (his desire to work within his "family" was always a more driving force for him than prey.

UNLESS IT WAS A HOWETSIDE KAT <{) ; ~ ) Yet there are dogs who’s prey drive is SO strong that in the event that their drive is triggered, they will redirect their drive onto anything in the immediate vicinity- even their own pack mates- if they are unable to follow through on the chase.

THAT’S CASUED BY MISHANDLING, tara o. aka tee. You’re comparing apples and oranges here.

No tara o. aka tee. You’re CONfHOWENDING your EXXXPERIENCE abuseing your critters with dog’s NORMAL BEHAVIORS. but I wasn’t sure that we all mean the same by "prey drive". the drive to hunt, chase, and kill prey. Like, perhaps, in hunting, chasing and "killing" a toy? Um, only in the way that a parakeet and a falcon are both birds.

That so, tara o. aka tee? Any trainer like LeeCharlesKelley or Canis55 or Brad Parker or Kevin Behan USE TOYS to TRIGGER PRAY DRIVE, tara o. aka tee. You think you can FABRICATE REALITY just on accHOWENT of you got a couple doses of ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATION in you? You know, what I found as most helpful were the magic words "Good boy, Clyde" and "Good girl, Bonnie". that would’ve never occurred to me.

INDEEDY, ON ACCHOWENT OF PRAISING BAD or FEAR BEHAVIORS is ONLY SUMPTHIN The Amazing Puppy Wizard TEACHES HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT SUCCESS DOIN, on accHOWENT of WE DON’T PUNISH CHOKE CRATE BRIBE or INTIMIDATE HOWER DOGS or they END UP DEAD, like your own DEAD DOG Summer. REMEMBER, tara o. aka tee? The amazing part is that, if you praise the dog while he is engaged in something you’d prefer he stopped doing, he actually does stop doing it. First off, she was being droll.

You think Lucky was JOKING, tara o. aka tee? You’re INSANE. We’ve all done a version of that here.

INDEED. Canis55 SEZ THE SAME SAME when his dog comes across a pizza crust in NYC and DOESN’T TAKE IT. Kinda proves dogs LOVE bein DROLL, eh tara o. aka tee? That’s simply using praise as a distraction technique,

No. The PRAISE does NOT DISTRACT tara o. aka tee. The PRAISE REINFORCES the PRYOR CONDITIONING and CHANGES the STATE OF MIND through scientific CONDITIONING, not DROLLNES or HUMOR <{) ; ~ ) which of course *can* work,

Not as you understand it, tara o. aka tee, or you wouldn’t of MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Summer <{) ; ~ ) but it can also end up diluting the force of the praise itself eventually.

THAT’S INSANE. But then if you’re only doing pet dog training

You mean like HOWE you done for your own DEAD DOG Summer? on basically normal dogs, that wouldn’t really cause a problem for

you. BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! Like, we’re walking, and they both stop to inspect some particularly interestingly smelling spot on a tree. You’re in a hurry, but they won’t budge – still researching that spot. You say, "OK, let’s go, we don’t have time", and they don’t even give a sign they heard you – still stuck to the same spot on the tree. Then someone didn’t train THAT correctly if it didn’t work

THAT’S HOWE COME YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer, tara o. aka tee. But if you just say, "GOOD BOY, Clyde, what a GOOD boy he is! GOOD GIRL, Bonnie, you’re the best!", they both suddenly leave the tree and happily resume walking with you.

That’s correct, but we can’t teach THAT to these lying dog abusing MENTAL CASES who choke shock crate bribe intimidate and MURDER THEIR OWN DOGS, like HOWE you done, tara o. aka tee <{) ; ~ ) Well, that’s pretty much the equivalent of someone saying "I said "Let’s go Fido, we don’t have time" but he didn’t budge, so I pulled out a cookie and suddenly he left the tree and happily resumed walking".

Oh? You mean like HOWE caesar milan "the dog whisperer" done last week on T.V.? It may have worked in the moment,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s METHODS WORK ALL THE TIME withHOWET hurting intimdiating bribing crating or MURDERING DOGS like HOWE YOU PREFER, tara o. aka tee <{) ; ~ ) but that doesn’t mean its a good overall method for all…

The ALTERNATIVE is CHOKIN the dog like HOWE YOU DONE to make your own DEAD DOG Summer FEAR AGGRESSIVE of small children DESPITE that she was RAISED WITH THEM in your FAMILY PACK, tara o. aka tee <{) ; ~ ) it also doesn’t mean it isn’t a misuse of a certain tool.

You mean a misuse of PRAISE, tara o. aka tee? BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! I don’t know if this occurred to someone else but Jerry – I doubt it, seeing how reluctant people here are about praising bad behavior. Um, are you being dense on purpose.

You seem to not believe EVERY 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student who’s ever posted here abHOWETS including LeeCharlesKelly and his NATURAL TRAINING pals. You and I had a LONG debate a few months ago,

Yeah. You was shown up to be a liar a dog abuser and mental case. REMEMBER tara o. aka tee? and we discussed this very thing….among many others?

Let’s DISCUSS your DEAD DOG Summer, tara o. aka tee? I only know that it works,

And all these MENTAL CASES are sayin IT DOESN’T WORK. it works indeed like magic.

INDEEDY. But HOWER DOG LOVERS DON’T LIKE PRAISING BAD BEHAVIORS. It works whether it’s about getting them to stop barking, or stop fearing the thunder,

AS REPORTED by C-HOWENTLES 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students RIGHT HERE, like Lucy. You call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES, you lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) If you ever tried this on a dog with a genuine phobia (rather than a mere fear)

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!! you’d pretty much destroy the dog’s ability to function under those circumstances within a few cycles.

No tara o. aka tee, you’d GET 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS just like ALL The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT RIGHT HERE. You know, the WONS you call LIARS on accHOWENT of they make you LOOK like a dog abusing mental case. or stop picking things they shouldn’t eat ("Leave it, Clyde, GOOD BOY!" does it, in the rare instances when he finds some irresistible piece of garbage during our walks; he used to pick up almost everything, now – just as Jerry had told me in this very forum that they’d eventually do, both Clyde and Bonnie almost never pick up anything). The can with pennies is NOT intended to be used as any form of punishment – on the contrary, it doesn’t work if it IS used thus. But- AGAIN- you don’t understand what is meant by "punishment".

RIGHT. WE DON’T PUNISH DOGS and INNOCNET CHILDREN <{) ; ~ ) Anything (and I mean ANYTHING) that is used to make the preceding behavior *less likely* is, by its very definition, a punisher.

EXXXACTLY. Distraction DOES NOT MAKE ANYTHING LESS LIKELY, it allHOWES the dog to THINK of the PRAISE, that’s all. The successive interruption of thoughts through PRAISE EXXXTINGUISHES the THOUGH of the undesirable behavior. Even if its only a sound.

The S-HOWEND is NOT to STOP the behavior, it’s to distract a thought so the PRAISE can be heard. It WORKS EVERY TIME, tara o. aka tee, IF you CONDITION the PRAISE and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY <{) ; ~ ) A punisher, in layman’s terms (yours) is usually associated with something that is aversive,

Aversives DO NOT TRAIN or EXXXTINGUISH BEHAIVOR, they DERRANGE behaviors. but in terms of dog training,

You mean the Kind of EXXXPERT DOG TRAININ that caused you to MURDER YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer, tara o. aka tee? that is NOT the case.

That so? You mean a PUNISHER is NOT PUNISHMENT when you used it on your DEAD DOG Summer on accHOWENT of you ain’t a "layman" you dog murderin psychopath? A neutral sound is a punisher

Like when the AC kicks on, tara o. aka tee? Or like when you hear the neighbor’s car door close? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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HOWEDY shelly you miserable lying dog abusing mental case, How does one know if one has a dog with a very high prey drive? What are the telling signs?

Some of them chase their tails and spin circles or chase lites. sometimes you don’t.

That so? sometimes, you find out that the dog you thought was trustworthy with cats is not, in fact.

That’s sheer idiocy. sometimes, the cat gets the last word (just ask elliott).

THAT’S THE PROBLEM. You mental cases let your critters train each other and if the don’t you can’t so you SOLVE the problem by avoiding and locking your dogs in boxes. usually, though, it’s the cat who pays for the owner’s blindness and/or ignorance.

That so? You mean like your MENTAL CASE pal kelly aka culprit aka metta’s SEVEN THOWESAND DOLLAR DEAD KAT? Her kat didn’t stand a chance when culprit TRAINED her dogs to her SHOCK BARRIER using the kat as a decoy and then FORGOT to put their collars on WON FINE DAY and let her KILLER DOGS HOWETA their boxes. Kats can defend themselves pretty good most of the time. THAT’S HOWE COME you bums let your critters train each other. THAT and of curse, on accHOWENT of you CAN’T train your own dogs. Your punk thug coward mental case pal leah’s kat has been livin in a box in the spare room for WON YEAR. Her STUDENT’S dogs MURDERED their HOWEsbunny and her GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who’d been in SOCIALIZATION and OBEDIENCE CLASSES with her since 10 weeks old MURDERED a little innocent dog in the park and TRIED to MURDER his brother, thanks to her TRAININ. hopefully

You mean with a little LUCK, shelly? that will not happen to you,

Probably not, eh shell? but as you do not know how to evaluate prey drive,

We don’t need to EVALUATE dogs to TRAIN THEM using EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING, shelly. You can evaluate all the THEORY in the world and you STILL ain’t gonna FIGGER IT HOWET on accHOWENT of you bums can’t stop jerking choking bribing and forcing CON-TROLL to compensate for your fragile defective ego’s weak fearful minds and inferiority complexes. And of curse, the FACT that you’re children of abusive parents and THAT’S HOWE COME you HURT INTIMDIATE CRATE SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE and MURDER dogs <{); ~ ) i suggest erring on the side of caution.

You mean HURT and INTIMIDATE your dogs, shelly. THAT’S the NATURE of a NATURAL BORN C-HOWEARD, shelly. As about whether a dog wants to kill a cat or not, well, isn’t the whole issue precisely how to make the dog to NOT want to kill the cat? if you don’t know how to recognize or quantify prey drive,

THAT’S SHEER IDIOCY. What you think of as PRAY DRIVE is FEAR and VISUAL ORAL REFLEX and got NUTHIN to do with PREY or DRIVE. how can you gauge the effectiveness of Mr. Howe’s methods in extinguishing it?

On accHOWENT of the CONDITIONING works on ALL DOGS and ALL BEHAVIORS NEARLY INSTANTLY. THAT’S HOWE COME you don’t SEE The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students writing in askin for additional FREE heelp, shelly. ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not DRIVES and THEORIES abHOWET degrees of FEAR <{) ; ~ ) shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05)

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don’t bother. The answer is never," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: "This Article Is Something We’ve Put Together For SF GSD Rescue How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay – this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is important – the correction must be physically very strong – not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all)." Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K. WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day For Twenty Years I THINK I’M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic- depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. "It wasn’t that meds didn’t work for her – she wouldn’t take them. I particularly remember a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I’m qualified to say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less frightening than the very real dangers of life without it." Lynn K. LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact that Darlene actually stated at some point that she was bipolar–and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her–so she was prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden enthusiasms..

"It wasn’t that meds didn’t work for her – she wouldn’t take them. I particularly remember a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I’m qualified to say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less frightening than the very real dangers of life without it." Lynn K. LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read "The Unquiet Mind"?

Yeah. It’s interesting, but kind of watered down for the mass market, if you know what I mean. There’s really quite a lot of good work out there and decent research. Thank God. Lynn K. MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR… YOU DO THE MATH "What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, ‘I take anti-depressives’" BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS "I don’t take lithium, but I’ve been on trycyclics for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove it. What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started taking them it was seen as something shameful. If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with a bleeding stump, you’d never let the word

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HOWEDY bizby40, But if you just say, "GOOD BOY, Clyde, what a GOOD boy he is! GOOD GIRL, Bonnie, you’re the best!", they both suddenly leave the tree and happily resume walking with you. dogs with non-english speaking owners are at *such* a disadvantage!

Your PAL shelly is a lying dog abusing mental case, like yourself, bizby40. The Amazing Puppy Wizard overlooked your pryor posts on accHOWENT of you’re an insignifcant blowhard, but NHOWE you’ve attracted the ATTENTION of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, who must NHOWE take a few minutes of HIS valuable time to RESEARCH YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY and IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you as an ill fit dog and kat owner and parent <{) ; ~ ) but, assuming that the words "good dog" had some sort of intrinsic meaning (they don’t), it still doesn’t make any meaningful difference. when my dogs (who *do* have high prey drive) are on the trail of a critter, they don’t know i exist. it wouldn’t matter if i told them "good dog" or "knock it the hell off" as it’s all the same to them: bupkis. Okay, so you aren’t a Howe fan (me either –

RIGHT. MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS here are dog abusing mental cases, like yourself, bizby40 <{) ; ~ ) – I’ve got him kill- filed at least a dozen different ways so far),

INDEEDY. THAT’S on accHOWENT of you IDENTIFIED yourself as a dog kat and child abusing mental case, bizby40. Parents of PROBLEM CHILDREN PARTICULARLY HATE The Amazing Puppy Wizard for TEACHING THEM HOWE COME they GOT DYSFUNCTIONAL MENTALLY ILL CHILDREN, like yours FOR EXXXAMPLE, bizby40 <{) ; ~ ) but you’re being ridiculous here.

INDEED? PERHAPS your new anti psychotic medication is kickin in? Better watch HOWET for the side effects, bizby40. The Amazing Puppy Wizard JUST SEZ NO! to prescription anti psychotic psychotropic pharmacuticals, bizby40 <{) ; ~ ) She didn’t say to say, "good boy" or "good girl". She said to say "GOOD BOY" or "GOOD GIRL". I’m sure you could also say, "POPSICLE, Clyde, what a POPSICLE you are!" As long as you have the tone and enthusiasm.

AND so long as you’ve FOLLOWED THE CONDITIONING techniques that work equaly well on ALL critters AS TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. The WON you DON’T LIKE on accHOWENT of you IDENTIFY YOURSELF as a DOG and KAT and CHILD ABUSER when you read it, JUST LIKE HOWE the rest of these MENTAL CASES have done, bixby40 <{) ; ~ ) If you don’t agree that praising them when they are misbehaving is a good idea, then address that.

She DID, bizby40. SHE SAID IT DOESN’T WORK on accHOWENT of she don’t know the METHOD, no doGgamened better than you do. But don’t nitpick about the words she used when you know what she

meant. THAT’S the NATURE of HOWER DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES, bixby40. THAT and NOT ANSWERIN The Amazing Puppy Wizard when HE makes you HOWET to be a dog kat and child abuser <{) ; ~ ) Over-the-top praise is a very common and well accepted way to reinforce good behaviors –

Yeah? And it likeWIZE works for EXXXTINGUISHING behaivors, but you gotta know HOWE or you’ll end up postin here tellin folks who hurt intimidate and murder dogs HOWE to DO IT RIGHT. – regardless of the actual words spoken.

Words, bizby40? Let’s take a LOOK-SEE at some of YOUR OWN WORDS: Bizby

Here’s a few EXXXCERPTS from your own posted CASE HISTORY, bizby. Seems you’re as INEFFECTIVE as a PARENT as you are miserably ill prepared to care for and protect your pets: My 9YO scares me sometimes. She’s quite mouthy and rebellious even at this age. I don’t tolerate the behavior. I don’t give in. But each year she gets a little harder to control. Bizby PERHAPS she’s LEARNED HOWETA CON-TROLL behavior from her ABUSIVE MOMMY and DADDY, bizby. THAT’S HOWE DOGS LEARN FEAR AGGRESSION. LIKE THIS, you freakin imbcile: Charlene, I don’t really have any excellent advice to give you. I’m just struck at how different we are. When I perceive someone to be mean to my kids, all reason goes out the window, and I enter "Mama Bear" protective mode. Just the other day for example, DS was at baseball practice. The kids were standing in line waiting for their turn to catch, and the boy behind DS grabbed his hair and yanked his head backwards. I happened to be standing right next to DS at the time, and so without thinking, I grabbed the boy’s wrist, looked him straight in the eye and said, "That was really mean. I don’t want to see you do that again." Only *afterwards* did it occur to me that *his* mom might take exception to what I’d done. I know the Mama Bear in me wouldn’t like seeing another woman holding DS’s arm and speaking sternly to him. But at the time it was all instinct. So, I guess the best is somewhere in between the two of us. And for that, I agree with Ericka’s excellent advice! Bizby OR PERHAPS it’s on accHOWENT of your HYPOCRICY, bizby?: Then DD said, "Well, I don’t know if I want her as a friend anymore anyway." And she told me that the girl can get physical when she’s angry. She said one time this girl was mad and grabbed her by the arm and yanked her around, somehow leaving scratches on DD’s arm, and sending DD to the clinic. I was quite surprised because I’ve never seen this kind of tendancy in this girl. I was also surprised that DD didn’t mention it when it happened, and that the school didn’t notify me when it happened. I tried to get more info out of DD, but you know how it is with kids. As soon as she realized that I thought this was *important* she started hedging and mumbling. She said the girl usually only yells when she’s angry, but will occasionally push her or yank her. She said she’s not afraid of this girl though. The girl outweighs DD by 20-30 pounds, so if she’s really trying to intimidate her or beat up on her, I think DD would be scared. I asked DD if she’d ever hit this other girl, and she mumbled that she may have pushed her one time. My question is this — apparently they are friends again, and DD wants to have her over this week. Should I allow it? Bizby Looks like you can’t HOWEtwit the cunning of a child, eh biz? I have two kids, DD 9 and DS 6. DD has always been a high-strung kid. I swear it started with her colic when she was a baby. Since then, every year or year and a half, we’ve gone through a rough period. Though it manifests itself differently as she grows, the common thread seems to be that she loses control of her emotions and can’t seem to rein them in. At 2 she would just have a total meltdown and lay on the floor screaming. At 9, I get a lot more attitude and backtalk. I am honestly a bit scared of the years to come. DS on the other hand, has always been more easy-going. He may get caught up in fights with his sister, but on his own, he pretty much never loses control. And if he does, it’s almost always sad instead of mad, and he goes off to be by himself without being told. Bizby Seems you MISHANDLE your children JUST LIKE HOWE you MISHANDLE your critters: Well, there are too many cats killed by dogs for that to be universally true…. I once had only a cat. When I got the puppy, the cat immediately established her dominance. Over the course of the next several years, there were several more scuffles — nothing serious enough that I needed to get involved in. By the end of it, the dog was firmly on top and was never challenged again. Fast forward — cat dies, new cat. Dog immediately put this one in it’s place, and there it has stayed. Bizby THAT’S INSANE, biz. Mine are almost 3 years apart and different sexes, but I still have this problem. DD(9) is *much* more likely to complain and be grumpy and jealous then DS(6). She gets really upset when he comes home from a party with a goody bag. It’s not "fair" when his class has a party and hers doesn’t. Recently I took her out shopping and instead of being happy about the cool stuff she got, she ended up angry about the one thing I didn’t get her. Unlike with Lisa’s child, this is not a phase for DD, it seems to be her innate personality. She is completely convinced that the world isn’t fair — to her. I can’t count the number of family outings that have turned sour when she got all out of sorts about something. I wish I could tell you Lisa, that something had "worked" for us, but nothing really has. We do, of course, refuse consistently to buckle under when she’s like this. And I don’t entertain whines that start with "it’s not fair". I just say, "No one ever said life was fair, babe." I try to talk to her *before* we do things. Remind her that she needs to "keep it together" until we get home no matter what happens. It seems to go in phases — sometimes worse, sometimes better. I’ll be watching the responses to this to see if there are ideas I haven’t tried. And I’ll hope for you, Lisa, that in your case this really is just a phase and that it passes quickly. Bizby BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! When my second child was born, I was way overwhelmed. He was actually a very good and easy-going baby, but my daughter, 2y9m old, was *very* clingy and whiny and in need of massive amounts of attention. It got bad enough that I went to a few "under 5s" counseling sessions. I can’t say that they helped much except to convince me that jealousy really was the underlying cause of her behavior problems. I hadn’t thought so since she wasn’t acting out against the baby. How bad did it get? Well, she took to peeing on her floor if she was mad at me. And once or twice she completely trashed her room. I was really at my wits end. I’m telling you this because it’s easy to think "hundreds of millions of people all over the world have more than … read more »

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HOWEDY shelly, Because he simply loves to chase, catch and "kill" a toy. He would do ANYTHING to get you to throw it for him, so that he can chase, catch and "kill" it – again and again and again. that may indicate a potential for prey drive,

You might call it EVIDENCE of PRAY DRIVE, shelly. but it’s no guarantee.

You mean on accHOWENT of you don’t know the difference between PRAY DRIVE and VISUAL ORAL REFLEX, shelly. It’s all in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) there are plenty of dogs who will chase and corner critters, but will not follow through.

THAT’S VISUAL ORAL REFLEX in AXXXION, shell <{) ; ~ ) You say, "OK, let’s go, we don’t have time", and they don’t even give a sign they heard you – still stuck to the same spot on the tree. of course. if you haven’t taught them a "chop, chop" cue, then you can hardly expect them to respond to one, eh?

Your "chop chop" is a DIRECTIVE which can be REFUSED. The dog CANNOT REFUSE to respond to his CONDITIONED PRAISE, shelly. But if you just say, "GOOD BOY, Clyde, what a GOOD boy he is! GOOD GIRL, Bonnie, you’re the best!", they both suddenly leave the tree and happily resume walking with you.

INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of we’ve presented sumpthin MOORE INTERESTING than a "CHOP CHOP" command, shelly you miserable lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) dogs with non-english speaking owners are at *such* a disadvantage!

No worse off than any illiterate dumb critter, shelly. LUCKY THING most of you lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases are UNIVERSITY TRAINED descartean dog abusing cretins <{) ; ~ ) but, assuming that the words "good dog" had some sort of intrinsic meaning (they don’t),

Well the DO shelly, AFTER WE CONDITION them. It’s kinda like a REFLEX. it still doesn’t make any meaningful difference.

NOT UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE CONDITIONING INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual like all the decent people like Lucy you call LIARS and their posts FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard in order to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER dogs as you thugs PREFER. when my dogs (who *do* have high prey drive)

No, your dogs do not have HIGH PRAY DRIVE shelly. Your dogs are FEAR AGGRESSIVE and HYPERACTIVE from REPRESSION <{) ; ~ ) are on the trail of a critter, they don’t know i exist.

INDEEDY! On accHOWENT of chasin a skunk is MOORE appealin than being with you. You can’t train your dogs to naturally want to do anything you ask on accHOWENT of your "CHOP CHOP" command mentality, shelly. FurtherMOORE, you got no idea HOWE to INSTALL a command as a CONDITIONAL REFLEX, so you’ll NEVER NEED your "CHOP CHOP" idiocy. If your dog AIN’T PAYIN ATTENTION to you, ordering IT to "CHOP CHOP" is like pissin into the wind, shelly. The OBJECTIVE is to COMMAND the dog’s DESIRE to WANT to do anything you ask on accHOWENT of WHATE EVER WE WANT is MOORE APPEALING to HOWER dogs than any DISTRACTION nature can provide, it all comes under the PACK RULES for HUNTING and other psychological factors. You got no idea what you’re talkin abHOWET. it wouldn’t matter if i told them "good dog"

It wouldn’t, not if you never CONDITIONED the dog as per THE INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. or "knock it the hell off"

THAT would REPULSE your dogs, shelly and make them NOT WANT to do as you ask on accHOWENT of the negative connotations it arHOWESES in them and their NATURAL OPPOSITION to fear force and intimidation <{) ; ~ ) as it’s all the same to them: bupkis.

Yeah, UNTIL you CONDITION the TECHNIQUE, shelly. You COULD use "bupkis" if you LIKED, but you’d STILL have to STUDY HOWE to INSTALL the "bupkis" command as PRAISE <{) ; ~ ) I only know that it works, it works indeed like magic. It works whether it’s about getting them to stop barking, or stop fearing the thunder,

INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students RIGHT HERE on HOWER forums have NEVER had a FAILURE <{) ; ~ ) have you ever had a dog who had anxiety problems?

ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. if you have,

The past is HISTORY, shelly. Lucy will NEVER have a dog or child behavior problem so long as she contiues to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Maual <{) ; ~ ) you’ll know that praising them while they’re anxious is the absolute worst thing you can do.

Yeah, on accHOWENT of YOUR PRAISE MEANS BUPKIS to them on accHOWENT of your dogs are AFRAID on accHOWENT OF YOU ABUSE THEM. PRAISE CURES ANXXXIHOWESNESS behaviors like fear of thunder and separation anxiety NEARLY INSTANTLY. LIKE THIS, shelly: nsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net. Tracy, What worked for me, in just one storm, was to praise the dog after each clap of thunder, telling him he’s a Good Dog! This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW. The next time it thundered, he did not even react at all–you could not tell it was the same dog as before. There was more thunder just the other day, and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all, it was that simple. I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non- abusive way of handling dogs WORKS. Wonderfully. Praise. It’s that simple. Juanita AND LIKE THIS, shelly: Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon, it went something like this with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi" Yoshi: Bark, bark, us: HUSH Youshi us: Hush Youshi it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking We decided to try the Jerry method: Yoshi: BARK, BARK US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it? Yoshi Bark, Bark US: It’s ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that I must say, it is so much more fun, when we can praise him, to deal with things like this Thanks Jerry ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry Papers, and learn how to live with our son "Yoshi", whom we love very much. Best Regards, Estel J. Hines AND LIKE THIS, shelly: "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. AND LIKE THIS, shelly:

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info, so I haven’t actually started to train yet. Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It’s a stranger, Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look, and came and sat beside my feet! OMG, I could not believe it! I was totally floored, as this has been his behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update, and Pokey and I are hitting the sack…;) Brandy doing so with harriet set her progress back beyond square one.

On accHOWENT of YOU are the CAUSE of her FEARS, shelly. Your dog DOES NOT TRUST YOU on accHOWENT of you HURT INTIMDATE BRIBE PUNISH THREATEN and CRATE her <{) ; ~ ) i’ve made plenty of mistakes with my dogs,

INDEEDY. IN FACT, you’re STARVING your dogs by MuncHOWESEN BY PROXY. but that one was a whopper.

INDEEDY. A dog abuser CANNOT USE The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s METHODS on accHOWENT of ANY confrontation or contradiction of HIS methods and philosophy NEGATES the CONDITIONING. or stop picking things they shouldn’t eat ("Leave it, Clyde, GOOD BOY!" does it,

Telling the dog to LEAVE IT may COMPEL the dog to DO OTHERWIZE. In Lucy’s case, on accHOWENT of she’s PRAISING her dogs as soon as she gives the "directive" the OPPOSITION is NEGATED <{) ; ~ ) if you’ve taught your dogs the meaning of "leave it"

Then you’ve FAILED to TRAIN the dogs NOT TO TAKE IT in the FIRST PLACE. THAT’S HOWE COME we DON’T TEACH a "LEAVE IT" command. Your "leave it" command requires JERKING and CHOKING the dog as his ABUSER screams "LEAVE IT" and THAT’S HOWE COME all HOWER MENTAL CASES dogs EAT GARBAGE POISON and steal from C-HOWENTERS. Like perry aka bentcajungirl’s DEAD DOG Maggie. REMEMBER shelly? The Amazing Puppy Wizard TOLD HER so. But she COULDN’T STOP PUNISHING her dog for STEALIN STUFF. So Maggi ATE the Gorilly Glue soon as her ABUSER left her alone. THEN she got to watch her beloved Maggie PUKE HER BLOODY GUTS HOWET on the kitchen floor till she shit the doGgamened bed. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard AIN’T SO NICE to you lying dog abusing punk thug active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs. then it isn’t surprising that they would, in fact, "leave it" when you tell them to. not very revolutionary, that.

Right. But you can’t do that withHOWET chokin your dogs. just as Jerry had told me in this very forum that they’d eventually do, both Clyde and Bonnie almost never pick up anything). "almost never" isn’t good enough.

RIGHT. That’s HOWE COME Lucy got to NOT GIVE the "LEAVE IT" command as GIVIN A DIRECTIVE does NOT EXXXTINGUISH undesireable behaviors AS TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of The … read more »

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HOWEDY malinda, The amazing part is that, if you praise the dog while he is engaged in something you’d prefer he stopped doing, he actually does stop doing it.

INDEEDY <{) ; ~ ) The amazing part is that

That the EXXXPERTS DENY THE FACTS in order to DEFEND jerkin choking shocking using aversives crates and bribes, on accHOWENT of THAT is the NATURE of a NATURAL BORN DOG AUBSING MENTALLY ILL LYIN COWARD <{) ; ~ ) if you say to the dog "I really don’t understand the Paris Hilton phenomenon at all" while he is doing something you’d rather he didn’t, he’ll stop doing it, too.

On accHOWENT of you’ve CHANGED HIS THINKIN and RELAXXXED him. But that won’t work TWICE IN SUCCESSION and it WILL NOT TRAIN or EXXXTINGUISH ANY BEHAIVOR, it’s a WON TRICK PONY <{) ; ~ ) And it’s not so much that he’s stopped doing that thing but that he’s started doing some other thing,

Yeah. He’s refocused on his owner, which is NOT a TRAINNG TECHNIQUE, it only AVOIDS the problem TEMPORARILY, unless you understand and follow the TECHNIQUE <{) ; ~ ) in this case paying attention to you while you’re talking to him.

RIGHT. And THAT’S HOWE COME it WON’T EXXXTINGUISH a behavior <{) ; ~ ) Jerry is certainly not the only person who’s noticed this

That so? (in fact, I doubt that he noticed it at all

IN FACT, The Amazing Puppy Wizard CAUTIONS AGAINST DOIN THAT on accHOWENT of it DOES NOT TRAIN or EXXXTINGUISH BEHAIVORS. but rather plagiarized it from someone else).

CITES PLEASE? How much dogs love their people,

You mean that SUBMISSIVE behavior you mental cases enjoy so much. even when they end up with pretty awful people,

Kinda like the Stockholm Syndrome <{) ; ~ ) is one of the primary miracles of dogs.

That’s absurd. Your IDIOCY isn’t gonna fly here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE. Melinda Shore – Software longa, hardware brevis –

HOWEDY janet, You know, what I found as most helpful were the magic words "Good boy, Clyde" and "Good girl, Bonnie". The dogs do ANYTHING if I just utter these words. I suspect that they are secretly reading Jerry’s posts to rpdb.

INDEEDY. Those aren’t exercises.

Yes they ARE, janet, AS TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual’s SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDTIONING TECHNIQUES, janet <{) ; ~ ) There has to be some directive,

You mean, LIKE THIS?: Daylight Time Well, let me tell you, your Wits’ End Dog Training Method works. My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons around the barbecue on the patio. I used this system on four different occasions. When she went out today, she looked everywhere else but the barbecue. Amazing, just amazing. I will write to Amanda about the video. I am really excited to learn more, and understand. Maybe just a little reassurance that I am going about it the right way. Thanks again Paul Or LIKE THIS, janet?: To: Jerry Howe Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM Today Seemed Like A Miracle – WELCOME TO WITS’ END DOG TRAINING! Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think about going off-reacting. The word come has no affect on him just the phrase- -Sunshine come goodboy. Or LIKE THIS?: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Re: Am I expecting to much Hi Jerry, When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine for daughter’s new pup, I told you that I had an older Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him for 3 years. It’s funny, but I thought I’d try some of your book training with him. Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first. It really does work. He was very confused at first, wondering what he had done to get the praise. But it really gets the attention and distracts him from whatever he may have going through his brain when he hears it. Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can’t wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc. Thanks, N Or did you mean LIKE THIS, janet?: Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben But you DON’T MEANLIKE THIS, janet, on accHOWENT of the EXXXTINGUISHMENT PROCESS REQUIRES NO "DIRECTIVES", ONLY PURE POSITIVE PRAISE, janet: Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what I’ve always done without thinking of it as "training". New stuff, I’ve used. His anchoring technique erased the last of Mac’s fireworks trauma," Not true, janet. The EXXXTINGUISHMENT TECHNIQUE REQUIRES NUTHIN BUT PRAISE, janet <{) ; ~ ) LIKE THIS, janet: LIKE THIS, janet: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tracy, What worked for me, in just one storm, was to praise the dog after each clap of thunder, telling him he’s a Good Dog! This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW. The next time it thundered, he did not even react at all–you could not tell it was the same dog as before. There was more thunder just the other day, and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all, it was that simple. I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non- abusive way of handling dogs WORKS. Wonderfully. Praise. It’s that simple. Juanita

AND THIS, janet: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon, it went something like this with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi" Yoshi: Bark, bark, us: HUSH Youshi us: Hush Youshi it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking We decided to try the Jerry method :Yoshi: BARK, BARK US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it? Yoshi Bark, Bark US: It’s ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that I must say, it is so much more fun, when we can praise him, to deal with things like this Thanks Jerry ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry Papers, and learn how to live with our son "Yoshi", whom we love very much. — Best Regards, Estel J. Hines

AND THIS, janet: "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. AND THIS, janet: HOWEDY Brandy,

Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info, so I haven’t actually started to train yet. Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It’s a stranger, Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look, and came and sat beside my feet! OMG, I could not believe it! I was totally floored, as this has been his behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update, and Pokey and I are hitting the sack…;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN’T IT. Brandy

unless you will accept any behavior,

INDEEDY, janet. THAT’S HOWE WE EXXXTINGUISH BAD BEHAVIORS, janet. no matter how contradictory to what you wanted.

THAT’S CORRECT, janet. PRAISE ONLY. For instance, if you say "Good Boy Clyde"

He’ll pay attention to you… AND DO ANY THING YOU ASK. and you MEAN "come here please Clyde",

Then you’d NEED to ask him as per the INSTRUCTIONS for installation of a CONDITIONAL REFLEX as taught in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual AS STATED by C-HOWENTLESS 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT RIGHT HERE. You call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES. REMEMBER you lying dog abusing mental case, janet? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! how does he know that?

Praise is CONDITIONED to bring the dog to a favorable state of mind, janet. What if he doesn’t?

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HOWEDY alison you congenital idiot, My husband and I have been visiting the SPCA and found a dog we like (http://tinyurl.com/cjjb3 -that’s his profile on PetFinder.com). We have two cats right now – a skittish tuxedo cat (4 years) & a braver patched tabby with white (3 years). He is a lovely dog and but are you sure he is the right dog for your situation?

A dog is a dog, alison you feeble minded idiot. Do you have much experience with dogs?

She won’t NEED no doGgamened EXXXPERIENCE if she studies her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual, you miserable lyng dog abusing simpleton. As Janet has alrerady said ,

janet is dog abusing mental case lying psychopath like yourself. you’ll have to keep him on a leash and under control

That so, alison? The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches NON PHYSICAL training. THAT MEANS you DON’T NEED TO CHOKE A DOG to TRAIN him. and have a safe room for your two cats.

And you don’t have to HIDE from BAD BEHAVIORS either, you lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case congenital idiot. You can buy a Feliway diffuser and plug it in their room .

That so, alison? FOR WHAAAT? The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual works on ALL CRITTERS. And if they need somethin MOORE P-HOWERFUL they can BUY The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did and A Cockatoo And A Horse And A C-HOWE Did Too) Device and CURE ALL CRITTER’S ANXXXIHOWESNESS in the entire neighborhood and IT don’t need no REFILS and it CURES ALL TEMPERAMENT and BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS AUTOMAGICKALLY, using THE SAME SAME SAME SAME TECHNIQUES as TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) This might help then deal with the stress.

You mean INSTEAD OF MURDERIN THEM, as YOU RECOMMEND: "Owners Should AlwaysBe Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized," alison. Alison

Dear Jerry, It’s Kay here. I don’t know who these people are that maligning you and your training manual but tell them from me that it does work. Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated putting him down are impressed with him. I even started using it with the neighbor’s dog. I went over there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I coulddo his nails. All 4 feet. My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn’t be more pleased. He even tried to kiss a child the other day. Major break through. This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield. So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training is Do No Harm. The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule. Aggressive dogs don’t need to be put down. Hunter was diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my side where he belongs. Thank you so much. Kay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Dear Jerry, Just thought I would write to let you know how well Hunter is doing. He had been trained using the conventional methods for obedience. He had gotten used to a choker and a pinch collar. Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around. I had also tried using positive reinforcement methods that I had been trained in. He was so busy looking for the treat that he didn’t really want to work. So I went back to using the pinch collar on him and also a gentle leader when we were in public. Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse and he did deserve his reputation as a vicious dog. The vet had recommended that he be put down. I was in a panic when I found your web site. Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I first started out with 5 years ago. I am a professional trainer and it was distressing to me that I could not help my own dog. I had been told that some dogs don’t respond to any kind of training and that a vicious dog can never be trusted again. I disagree! Hunter is a sight hound and now I can take him with me and he doesn’t chase cars as much anymore which is one of his main problems. We are working on the dog aggression thing. And I am confident that will be successful too. I also have your BIOSOUND machine and that too is working good. I know of several rescue groups that would benefit from it. This is rather long I know but it comes from the heart. My Head Hunter Green and I have together along time and have been through so much together. Thank you for helping me save his life. Kay Pierce —– Original Message —– Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:22 PM Hi Jerry, Just an update to let you know how things are going. Hunter is doing really great thanks to you and your training manual. I cancelled the appointment with the new vet to get him re-evaluated for aggression. all weekend long I had kids run by the fence to try and make him bark. He didn’t! Tonight we are going to PetsMart to work on his dog aggression but even that is going good for him. I have less and less of a problem with him in my vehicle. He doesn’t try so hard to protect it from the four wheeled monsters that go by. I think soon I’ll be able to leave his window open when we go down the road and he won’t try to jump out at the cars that go by. I have shared the manual with several dog owners that I know and even a group of dog trainers. Thank you again. Kay —– Original Message —– Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:59 PM Have your vet call me if he’s interested in behavior. XXX/OOO. Jerry. —– Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:49 PM Kay if you only knew what a jerk howe is it’s either his way or your wrong no matter what training method you use. In a post re: adopting a shelter dog he stated "fu*k Buster" if you want I can refer you to the post. He’s nothing but a blowhard and if he was closer I would pay him a visit. He used your post from July in his rebuttal Bob Garrett —– Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:29 PM I have to strongly disagree that Jerry is a jerk. I am a dog trainer and I have been for almost 30 years. I believe strongly in positive reinforcement. My youngest was trained using treats and praise. My oldest how ever was not trained that way I am ashamed to say. The result a very dangerous dog. He has problems with barrier and dominance aggression. A year ago he put a hole in my leg that took weeks to heal. When the vet and all of my friends advocated putting him down I found Jerry’s website. I was looking for a natural way to calm my dog and train him all over again as well. You say Jerry is a jerk well I have talked to him on the phone and consulted him about his training methods. I really grilled him before I even considered using his methods. He loves dogs. Using his methods my Head Hunter is now a very sweet dog. I get kisses instead of growls. When he growls or even looks like he is going to bark I tell him what a good dog he is and right away he shuts up, looks at me like I’m nuts. But doesn’t try to eat anyone. I am happy to say that the vet thinks I have him on major drugs. I don’t! I still use a muzzle on him when I have to take him to iffy places. But hey, I know he is now a sugar. And the most important thing he is happy again. It’s a free country and you are entitled to your opinion. I have mine. Sincerely Kay NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA HERE YOU CRETIN, alison <{) ; ~ ) ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW;~} oo-oo

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INDEEDY. Those aren’t exercises.

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN’T IT. Brandy

unless you will accept any behavior,

INDEEDY, janet. THAT’S HOWE WE EXXXTINGUISH BAD BEHAVIORS, janet. no matter how contradictory to what you wanted.

THAT’S CORRECT, janet. PRAISE ONLY. For instance, if you say "Good Boy Clyde"

He’ll pay attention to you… AND DO ANY THING YOU ASK. and you MEAN "come here please Clyde",

Praise is CONDITIONED to bring the dog to a favorable state of mind, janet. What if he doesn’t?

Then we briefly and variably alternately non physically distract and INSTANTLY PRAISE for five to fifteen seconds NO MATTER WHOAT the dog is doin on accHOWENT of the SCIENTIFIC CONDITIONING TECHNIQUES NEVER FAIL if you FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. My dogs are told how wonderful they are all of the time.

Yeah, but you jerk and choke them on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and lock them in boxes and surgically sexually mutilate them, janet. REMEMBER? Franklin was demo dog at a new class last night

Franklin cried whined HOWELED and barked for three weeks when you first got him. Franklin STEALS and SWALLOWS ANY THING he can reach. You had abdominal surgery done on him when he stole and ate your filthy undies. Your dog Franklin nearly killed hisself trying to ESCAPE his crate. Your elderly dog COOKED when you locked IT HOWEtside in 104F heat and your other DEAD DOG got PANCAKED in front of your HOWES <{) ; ~ ) and everyone just thought he was the sweetest and loveliest dog around.

Your kat attacks you when you PUNISH your dogs and then she pisses in their beds. She pisses on your C-HOWECH and you SHOCK her for that. Your kat is takin VALIUM for her "SEIZURE LIKE BEHAVIOR". He thrives on that.

You can’t post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE, janet. Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album

So you see janet, you lying dog abusing mental case, there’s THREE (C-HOWENT ‘m, 3) different methods used RIGHT HERE: 1. We got PRAISE ONLY. 2. We got DIRECTIVE and PRAISE ONLY. 3. We got DISTRACT and PRAISE. PRAISE ONLY and DISTRACT and PRAISE EXXXTINGUISH ALL BEHAVIORS. DIRECTIVE and PRAISE CANNOT EXXXTINGUISH ANY BEHAVIOR, it AVOIDS them. THAT is used as a DEFAULT for when praise / distract and praise fails. THEN YOU GO BACK TO PRAISE IN ADVANCE. AND FOLLOW THE METHOD. LIKE THIS: Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much better than she did. This is after reading and

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HOWEDY matty, I do hope that, before deciding to killfile Jerry as the majority of the regulars advise the newcomers to do, [...] If you pay attention, you’ll find that the majority of newcomers killfile Howe without prompting.

Yeah, on accHOWENT of they IDENTIFY THEMSELVES as DOG ABUSERS and MENTAL CASES, like yourself, matty. –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.

Best large breed with young children at home HOWEDY matty,

dogboarder said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds: I am searching for a home for a 20 month old male Weimaraner with AKC papers. He fell into my hands somewhat by chance, and I can’t keep him,

On accHOWENT of his BEHAVIOR problems. at least not without neutering him.

Neutering WON’T HEELP a BEHAVIOR problem. Then why not neuter him?

On accHOWENT of it’s inapupriate unnecessary surgical mutilation and any vet that mutilates a critter for non medical reasons is rippin you off for your hard earned dough and your dog for his heelth and safety. –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.

You’re a lying dog abusing mental case, matty: Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt

Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: When you compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can you criticize the use of sound? There’s nothing more to be said, then. You’ve made up your mind. But you’ve impressed me by mentioning that you’re a professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you cite some examples of people recommending "shock collars, hanging, and punishment"? — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience. BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of training. –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure.

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog’s confidence, the dog’s ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don’t equate the reaction with the tool/method–I look at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some people don’t do: they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, it means slap. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly – is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry’s faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here’s Jerry’s version "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab’s Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here’s yours; "I dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the Lab’s shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with my left hand, rolled her on

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HOWEDY malinda, Looks like you GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, eh? You’re A MENTAL CASE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was going to ask how cat things were coming with Crow and Eclipse. Not great! I had been just closing off the upstairs bedroom (a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about six inches keeps the dogs out better than you’d expect), but the cats like to hide in the wall of the linen closet (gotta love these old houses!) when they’re nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore apart the linen closet to try to get to them. That’s when I closed off the upstairs entirely. They’re also a bad influence on Cinder, who started out thinking of the cats as dinner but who had learned to live with them in peace until her sisters arrived. I think it’s possible but, frankly, improbable that they’re eventually going to be safe with the cats. — Melinda Shore – Software longa, hardware brevis –

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HOWEDY malinda you lyin dog abusing mental case, My only advice, Melinda, was that the original poster would read Jerry’s manual before doing what you guys are doing WITHOUT having read it.

INDEEDY! professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, HOWER ANAL-ytic behaivorist from UofWI (associate of dr mark plonsky veterinary ethologist UofWI) couldn’t finish readin past the introduction, where The Amazing Puppy Wizard INDICTS HOWER UNIVERSITIES for corrupting BEHAVIORISM based on their descartean thinking and ineptitud and small fear ridden minds. What do they FEAR? INTELLIGENCE. They FEAR the INTELLIGENCE of CRITTERS. They MUST DENY the ability of critters to THINK FEEL and SUFFER or they couldn’t do their SCIENCE of HURTIN INTIMIDATING and MURDERIN innocent critters to benefit mankind <{) ; ~ ) The ONLY folks HATED here abHOWETS MOORE than The Amazing Puppy Wizard are the PeTA folks. But they ain’t got SOLUTIONS to animal cruelty other than NOT KEEP critters in captivity, which when it gets to the FACTS, is the ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION for the UNTRAINABLE / OVERPUPULATION critters crisis… AIN’T IT. We got critters in zoos murderin their attendants on accHOWENT of they’re neglected and abused JUST LIKE HOWE it happens in people’s HOWESES based on the ADVICE of HOWER PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS and university behaivorists. MOST of these MENTAL CASES dogs are DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASEaka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) It was lousy advice.

Sez you? You GOT a dog / kat aggression PROBLEM yoursel and YOU CAN’T FIX IT, can you, malinda imbecile idiot university educated IT developer: I was going to ask how cat things were coming with Crow and Eclipse.

Not great! I had been just closing off the upstairs bedroom (a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about six inches keeps the dogs out better than you’d expect), but the cats like to hide in the wall of the linen closet (gotta love these old houses!) when they’re nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore apart the linen closet to try to get to them. That’s when I closed off the upstairs entirely. They’re also a bad influence on Cinder, who started out thinking of the cats as dinner but who had learned to live with them in peace until her sisters arrived. I think it’s possible but, frankly, improbable that they’re eventually going to be safe with the cats. MALINDA. — THAT’S YOU. Jerry’s manual didn’t help you –

Lucy had PROBLEMS pryor to studying her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual, and got her 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS JUST LIKE ALL The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD REPORT RIGHT HERE, like Lucy, for EXXXAMPLE <{) ; ~ ) You punk thug coward mental cases call them LIARS and FORGERIES and you can’t post your lies abuse and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{) ; ~ ) you didn’t need help.

Lucy’s CASE HISTORY is INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED FOREVER in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s ARCHIVES on Google and other fine news group archives and forums… along with CHOWENTLESS OTHERS you call LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) Seems you bums got THAT idea from ed williams of PET LOSS DOT CON, the WON who MOST SUFFERS when folks don’t have a TRAUMATIC EXXXPERIENCE with PROBLEM DOGS and MURDER THEM like your pals kwbrown and tara o. aka tee and Robert Crim as well as C-HOWENTLESS OTHERS RIGHT HERE, the MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER their own critters on accHOWENT of YOU PREFER TO HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER INNOCENT CRITTERS on accHOWENT of you’re VICTIMS of PARENTAL ABUSE <{) ; ~ ) If your dog was actually predatory

You mean HUNGRY, malinda. Critters PREDATE when they’re HUNGRY, malinda <{) ; ~ ) IN FACT, that’s HOWE COME dogs are SO EZ to TRAIN, ESPECIALLY when they’re IN PRAY DRIVE, according to the EXXXPERTS who TRAIN DOGS NEARLY INSTANLY using "NATURAL TRAINING" according to Kevin Behan, LeeCharlesKelley and Canis55 aka DEMONCHILD 666, and Parker. But you bums call them LIARS on accHOWENT of they EMBARRASS YOU, JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard and ALL HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD REPORT RIGHT HERE <{) ; ~ ) you’d have found that Jerry’s manual wouldn’t help you with that problem,

That’s NOT TRUE according to the CASE HISTORY DATA in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s ARCHIVES. IN FACT, The Amazing Puppy Wizard can CURE AGGRESSION problems from 500′ distance withHOWET DOIN NUTHIN but turn on HIS Doggy Do RIGHT machine. AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE CASE HISTORY DATA IN The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s ARCHIVES on Google… BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! IT’S OVER, malinda. You bums can’t post here noMOORE. and this "Jerry Howe – he’s so *dreamy*!" stuff would have resulted in a dead cat.

NOT accordin to all the aggressive dogs REPORTED to have been CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY <{) ; ~ )

I have been reading these forums for a few weeks now, and am getting really confused!! but is there actually anyone who has used the methods in this manual with any success ?

100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student. It’s the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL technique in the Whole Wild World, BAR NONE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon and really would like to know the best and most effective way of training without using food treats or violence (i do agree with what the guy says about food treats and violence) Thanks for any intelligent replies I have tried his methods and found them extremely effective. There are several areas in particular I found useful. He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each other all the time. He teaches you to have such good communication with your dog you don’t need leash corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with a snap of your fingers. When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use good communication and was unable to be tempted to use the lead to correct them. Another part of the training I agree with is not using the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no" or react with it in such a way that you become involved in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you are about but doing it when you aren’t (bin raiding, counter surfing etc). Basically you are taught to make your dog a good friend who likes and wants to work for you for the pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy is included in this), teach it to recall reliably, then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc). Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur. If you understand what you are trying to achieve and are prepared to work with it you can get great results. Paul

I think that’s a bad outcome –

Yeah. But YOUR DOGS are KAT AGGRESSIVE and THERE AIN’T NO BEHAVIOR PROBLMES with The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s GREEN TRAINED Student’s dogs. HOWE COME? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! ON ACCHOWENT OF WE DON’T HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE CRATE AND MURDER HOWER DOGS, malinda you freakin lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) the cat’s welfare is a lot more important than whether or not Jerry’s fan club adds a new member.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! You mean, LIKE THIS WON?: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must already have a good idea about what I think. His methods are the best I have come across. They aren’t a quick fix but an entire training concept so if you aren’t in for the long haul then don’t bother. If you go his way then you have to forget all the other gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe in what you are doing, then and only then will you get the results. You can’t combine his methods with other training methods, not until you understand what you are trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even then just a snip of what they suggest which works in parallel with the Wits End concept. His methods make you as the trainer completely responsible for your actions, his methods make you think and work out your own solutions for any given situation, the default (the recall) is always there to get things under control again. His ideas and concepts teach you to work with the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to work together which is surely the best way to be. His methods don’t use force or intimidation but they do totally emphasize the absolute importance of pack (family pack) structure, without that you can achieve almost nothing. If you are wondering how a dog can be trained without any negativity the answer lies in the recall, anytime your dog doesn’t follow through with a request you

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HOWEDY racetrack silly, Prey drive is hard-wired,

You mean, you CAN’T TRAIN IT, racetrak silly? and what you’re doing with a really high prey drive dog is trying to rewire the dog.

THAT’S THE EZIEST DOG TO TRAIN, racetrack silly. THAT’S HOWE COME dogs TRAIN SO EZ, racetrack silly. I think it can be done in limited circumstances.

You mean if your GET LUCKY. I’ve gone from a situation in which I had 4 Siberians living in harmony with 2 cats to a situation in which I’ve got 6 Siberians and 2 cats in the same house.

Kinda CONTRADICTS your "HARD WIRED" IDIOCY, don’t it. I think one of the issues here is that

That you and your punk thug coward MENTAL CASE pals HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET it. bringing two high prey drive dogs into the house

You mean the kinds that CAN’T BE TRAINED on accHOWENT of their PRAY DRIVE is "HARD WIRED." BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! at the same time allows them to reinforce each others’ behavior, while in a situation with one new dog the new dog tends to cue off the dogs that are already there.

You mean ALLELOMIMETIC and PACK BEHAVIOR, racetrack silly. I’m modestly hopeful for the future but

But it DEPENDS on SHEER BLIND DUMB STUPID LUCK and YEARS of EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL TRAININ. LIKE THIS: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." THAT’S YOU, racetrack silly <{); ~ ) MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS have MURDERED their own DEAD DOGS on accHOWENT of they COULDN’T STOP HURTIN THEM. I’m not counting on anything, either.

INDEEDY. Better stay on your ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDS, you CAN C-HOWENT on THEM, racetrack silly <{) ; ~ ) So, for the time being, the upstairs is closed off during the day so the cats can be safe up there and Crow and Eclipse are crated at night.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!! I was going to ask how cat things were coming with Crow and Eclipse.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! I agree that it can sometimes be done in some circumstances with lots of supervision and a safety zone for the cats.

THAT’S ABSURD. IME dogs reinforce each others’ behavior

That so? You mean, it’s EZIER to TRAIN TWO dogs at WON time than WON at a time, on accHOWENT of they COPY EACH OTHER, racetrack silly. when chasing or otherwise trying to get a cat –

THAT’S when your dogs COPY YOU goin NUTS tryin to STOP THEM from actin like YOU, racetrack silly. – pack mentality sets in –

Yeah. – but not the opposite.

RIGHT! That’s on accHOWENT of you make them AGGRESSIVE. I’ve never seen a new dog, Greyhound or Siberian, cue? off the other dogs to leave a cat alone.

RIGHT! You CAN’T SEE a NON BEHAVIOR, you freakin mental case. Most of my experience is with ex-racing Greyhounds,

You HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs FOR PROFIT. which were bred to hunt in packs,

IMAGINE? but they’re not that different from Siberians when it comes to pack issues.

You mean on accHOWENT of a DOG IS A DOG. (People often think that Greyhounds and Siberians are an odd breed combination,

THAT SO? but temperamentally they are really very similar,

On accHOWENT of A DOG IS A DOG, DOG ABUSER. and get along quite well.)

OR YOU’LL MURDER THEM. Also, with sighthounds, the chase can be almost impossible to extinguish

THAT’S INSANE. even if the dog doesn’t do anything when it catches the cat.

You can EXXXTINGUISH the "chase instinct" by NOT HURTING your dog and FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) One of my Greyhounds, who was very cat keen 10 years ago

Took you ten years to make IT "safe" with kats. but now is reliable unsupervised around the cats,

THAT SO? stilloccasionally takes off after a cat in the house,

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! SUCCESS? at least for a few steps.

TILL YOU HURT and INTIMDIATE him. And Robin the Whippet often chases a cat (and catches up to it, and passes by it, and turns around and comes back).

That’s curiHOWES, ain’t it, CONSIDERIN his PRAY DRIVE would ONLY BE SATISFIED if he ATE HIS PRAY. IOW, you’re full of crap. This is forbidden behavior here,

INDEEDY! THAT’S HOWE COME your dogs DO IT when YOU AIN’T STANDING THERE READY TO HURT and INTIMDIATE them someMOORE, you dog abusing MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) THAT’S HOWE COME dogs who know kats in their HOWESES will ATTACK the SAME KAT HOWETside his HOWES, on accHOWENT of he AIN’T BEEN ABUSED CONSISETENTLY HOWEtside with the same kat like he was indide with his ABUSER constantly THREATENING HURTING CRATING and INTIMIDATING IT <{); ~ ) of course, but sometimes they can’t resist.

You mean on accHOWENT of YOU MAKE THE DOG FEAR AGGRESSIVE. Mustang Sally

FORBIDDEN FRUIT Hello suja,

I had posted about her before, but we’ve recently come to know that my friend’s foster GSD is a feces eater.

Well, you’re in LUCK. That’s a EZ problem to fix if you ask my studnts Paul and Marty who broke their dog’s coprophagia in a few minutes over a couple of days. Your pals told them they couldn’t cure it only manage it unless they WANTED to HURT their dogs MOORE than they’d LIKE. They told them they were pigs cause they didn’t pick up their yards and keep the dogs on leash at the park and pick up neighbor’s dogs poo before you walk your dog and pick up your yard as soon as they relieve themselves at midnite and 6 a.m. and don’t listen to Jerry cause he’s never seen a dog and his methods are DANGEROUS. She came to us 10 days ago, 20 lb. underweight, unhousetrained and very afraid of people.

And now it’s outta the pot and into the fire. I think I’d rather see her take her chances at the pound. She has made some progress, and is starting to look for affection from her foster mom. Her upset tummy has settled down as well, and she is eating 1 cup of Canidae, 4x a day. Any suggestions on keeping her from eating the feces?

Nope. I don’t give suggestions and tips. I give effective methods that will cure this and most behavior problems in just a few minutes over a couple of days without ever touching your dog. She might have started doing it because she was so underfed in her previous home.

Not likely. Most coprophagia is a result of inappropriate HOWESbreaking attempts. Most dogs eat poo to HIDE the evidence so they don’t get punished. That’s HOWE COME just telling the dog NO is enough to be problematical. Everything you think you know about dogs and behavior is DEAD WRONG. Is there any chance that she’d stop it on her own once she isn’t feeling so starved?

Not likely cause now she’s paranoid about it, like marybeth’s dogs eat poo right outta each other’s butts so marybeth won’t outstep them. Foster mom is very diligent about picking up poop

Think allelomimetic behavior, suj. (both the foster’s and her own dog’s), but she is quite literally eating the stuff before it hits the ground.

Because of someone’s efforts to physically stop them. That’s HOWE COME telling dogs NO makes you a PEER or COMPETITOR in their behaviors like stealing trash or counter surfing. Every time you give an "effective" correction you teach the dog to be moore vigilant to get the FORBIDDEN FRUIT as soon as the POLICEMAN goes BYE BYE!!! "When the kat’s away…." She is being treated for whip/round worms, so it is extremely important that she doesn’t keep reinfecting herself.

That can be tricky… better SUPERVISE her. BWWWAHAHAHAAAA!! We haven’t tried adding anything to the dogs’ food to make it less appetizing –

You’re a imbecile, suj. Figger it out. IF the dog is doing this to hide the evidence what makes you think that making it taste like $#!T is going to mean MOORE to her than avoiding a beating for messin? Your pal blackman’s web site sez to add MSG flavor enhancer to the diet, but that’s a ERROR. It’s supposed to be bromelaine or papaine, the ingredients in unseasoned meat tenderizer, a digestive enzyme… BUT, to ENHANCE the experience, blackmans’s site also recommends cutting poo in half lengthwise and filling it with HOT SAUCE. Talk about top shelf gourmet dining. Every time I try to cut a loaf of shit in half I accidentally pinch it and get HOT SAUCE on my fingers and we share. afraid the foster’s tummy would get upset again,

Eating poo is relatively harmless and normal. But it’s a SNAP to break. Your pals called my students LIARS when they reported their success using my PROVEN EFFECTIVE methods. and would cause the resident dog’s allergies to act up.

HOWE COME our dog lovers always think of using aversives and confinement and pain instead of behavior conditioning techniques? Oh, I forgot. They’re dog lovers and wouldn’t want to do anything STUPID like listen to Jerry and the dozens of his successful student’s he’s trained HERE and from sittin RIGHT HERE, stark ravin nekkid. Saying ‘no’ doesn’t work.

Yeah? It did. It worked against you. Now it’s harder to set the dog up to interrupt the behavior casue you’re associated as an aversion. Nice move. The EZiest behavior to break is one that’s CONSISTANT, cause we can make it happen when we’re prepared to work on it till it’s broken. Jumping is a good example. She screams if she hears a raised voice,

And you won’t beieve she eats poo cause she’s trying to hide it? even one that isn’t directed at her.

That’s HOWE COME we should always behave ourselves appropriately. Yelling and punishing are not appropriate … read more »

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ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ } oo-oo All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight– even tho it’s a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. Your student," Juanita. "If you’ve got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. GOT MILK?

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HOWEDY racetrack silly, The method and its author are not exactly popular around here, but everything that Jerry says in his manual and in his posts has proved to be true for my two dogs.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students NEVER FAIL to NEARLY INSTANTLY TRAIN ALL dogs and ALL behaviors withHOWET HURTIN BRIBING CRATING or AVOIDING behaviors, racetrack silly. You’ve got a VERY LONG posted case history of HURTING and MURDERING dogs: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." If you tried Jerry’s stuff with a dog with a very high prey drive, you’d end up with a dead cat.

THAT’S INSANE. IN FACT, IT’S CONTRA-WIZE to ESTABLISHED FACT that "TRAINING IN DRIVE" as LeeCharlesKelley TEACHES (you bums called him a LIAR after he [and your own punk thug coward pal elizabeth naime]) PROVED HIS METHOD CITING CASE HISTORY DATA. Keeping a dog that doesn’t want to kill a cat from killing a cat is not a Nobel-level accomplishment.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! Hello I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug don’t laugh!). They are gentle loving dogs when I’m at home with them, and they are riendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously ominant over the other, and I don’t have a problem with that, however; Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I’m walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn’t walk them and now I’m home so I walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake. This is my problem : The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn’t, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks. She won’t stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ] Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the other dog barks, she doesn’t bark, but she nips at the other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash… it is quite disturbing to the people walking past. And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs… SOMETIMES… sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park. How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pack behaviour thing? It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old lady’s or little girl’s dog. They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address, Thanks, Nevyn

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success I’ve had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry says: you got anything you’d like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box? Jerry says: I guess you don’t want to tell them nuthin that they don’t already know, huh? Nevyn says: hah Nevyn says: tell them they’re fuckers who need to die Nevyn says: dogs aren’t for abusing they are for loving they love so much Jerry says: that’s HOWE COME they got me now Jerry says: howe much training time did it take for the two of ‘em? Nevyn says: pfftt Nevyn says: it didn’t even seem like training Nevyn says: its been 24 days since I got your manual Jerry says: pfffttt!!!! Jerry says: hhahahahaha Jerry says: have you got that feeling that they’re in tune with EVERYTHING you’re wanting them to do? Jerry says: I forgot what city you’re in. Jerry says: maybe if you’re near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs??? Jerry says: BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Nevyn says: LOL Nevyn says: I’m in Perth, Australia! Nevyn says: and yes they do seem to be in tune Nevyn says: oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL Jerry says: EXCELLENT! Nevyn says: lol Jerry says: they knew they didn’t need to fight, cause everything was in your expert control. Keep up the good work. j;~)

Hi There Jerry Its Nevyn. Sorry Ive not been posting, but I’ve been working weekend work at the tracks with the greyhounds (thanks to you!). Well my dogs are the envy of all on my street. I can have them out in the yard with me, take them walking without a leash, they will do any command with no hesitation. And they don’t bark anymore! Thanks to your machine! Oh yeah, I loaned your machine to several friends and family — Here are some reports: "I would say my dogs are well trained, but they suffer severe anxiety when no body is home. This machine quietened them almost instantly – still they barked, in the beginning, but just one or two barks. Then slowly they just stopped… beginning to bark, then instantly stopping. It took only 2 weeks, and we did nothing. Truly amazing; I have recommomeded it to my family, and perhaps they will buy one. Its a shame you don’t sell them publicly". — Kylie, 30, on dogs Lili (11 yr mutt bitch) and Sheeba (4 yr Rotty X) "My two dogs barked insanely when someone would go past. With this little … read more »

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Alison is a CONGENITAL IDIOT, LIAR and DOG ABUSER… The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I have been visiting the SPCA and found a dog we like (http://tinyurl.com/cjjb3 -that’s his profile on PetFinder.com). We have two cats right now – a skittish tuxedo cat (4 years) & a braver patched tabby with white (3 years). He is a lovely dog and but are you sure he is the right dog for your situation? Do you have much experience with dogs? As Janet has alrerady said , you’ll have to keep him on a leash and under control and have a safe room for your two cats. You can buy a Feliway diffuser and plug it in their room . This might help then deal with the stress. Alison

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HOWEDY Chris, janet is WON of the LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES who CHOKES SHOCKS and MURDERS dogs and LIES abHOWET IT:

He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing. He didn’t even blink an eye. Janet Boss

I can’t imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can’t remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

while walking backwards

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what it felt like to me when I got shocked by Hope’s collar. It felt like a bomb going off in my hand and forearm.

how effective are these electronic fences in keeping a dog on a property????

Some run through it. Others get shocked and become too scared to go out in the yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog, because the dog got caught right in the path of the shock and will now not go near his person, won’t go outside. Just hides under a desk in the house.

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Problems with trolls, etc.

admin — Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Mollye Lewin wrote: > Lee Babcock wrote: >> As a six year participant here, I’d like to offer some comments on our >> current problems. This is NOT new, but this time, the trolls seem to >> be more successful than before. > As a participant for over four years, I found her to be more successful > in 2003. She drove away Bear (permanently), Mike (permanently), Norm > (for a year), Bret (the only professional on the NG), possibly Tom > Devlin (for a year or so), SCOOP (someone said he is moderating a board > somewhere), Beth (now posting infrequently), and even you disappeared at > about the same time, although that may have been because of other > priorities.

I disappeared because of major health issues. >> This is strictly because people feed them, gratify them, justify their >> existence. >> Do NOT reply to their posts or even make comments on them. > I must be missing something. I’ve only noted one old-timer, who has > never let anything deter him, posting in reply to, what appears to be, a > troll. He’s never been deterred. > The trolls are replying amongst themselves and most times __TO > THEMSELVES__ with a different id.

This is one of the tactics in a document ‘how to be a troll’ that has been floating around for some time – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They are crossposting, thus bringing in others. They are posting an > inordinate amount of useless drival. And making off-hand responses to > newbie quesstions. George was correct in questioning the value of > anything posted in reply to a question. (More about this below.) >> I was involved in a NG for a health problem that is even more >> mis-understood by the medical community than OSA, and trolls came in >> and completely destroyed the NG. It is GONE! >> This will happen here if people don’t stop feeding them. > IMO, it was already gone, and making a comeback. She is much more > intent this time around to totally destroy the resurrection. >> This AM I logged on and saw that there were 215 messages, but when the >> download was finished, only 8 were there, the rest being deleted by my >> filters. > 8 out of 215? That’s about 96% worthless. Thems not good odds. >> Now days, filters are simple to use, unlike in times past when you had >> to have knowledge of programming conditions to make them work. >> I have filtered out not only the trolls, but a few people who feed >> them on a regular basis. If they can’t resist the impulse to feed >> them, then I have to conclude that nothing they have to say has any >> value either. Pity is, they are newbies who are here for and who need >> help! > What kind of criteria do you use? Something other than id?

I’m using Netscape 7.2 and you just high light the message, click on message, create filter, ok. This will get rid of most, and is based on email address. You can set up multiple conditions for filtering though. So far, I haven’t found one that I couldn ‘t filter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Going to moderated boards is not the answer since they are moderated >> and the general public has no idea what is being filtered out by the >> moderator. > Well, I disagree here. Many useful moderated boards come about when > pesticide doesn’t work. Even when everyone is on the pest(s), which > they certainly are not on ASSD (only Kate, Norm, and Beth). Maybe it > would have helped if we would have supported/fed them. > Example: Several years ago, one of the manufacturers of CDs had an > unmoderated NG. People got sick of one particular person, so the > primary contributors (sometimes called regulars) started a Yahoo > moderated group. Worked/works great. Once you were deemed to be sane, > your posts were not monitored. However, it was possible to keep one > particular person out of the threads and if someone went insane, after > being proclaimed sane, they could be warned and removed. Now I like that > possibility a lot.

There are always exceptions to the rules, even mine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Moderated boards are almost always self serving in one way or another. > Indeed, they serve to eliminate the problem of sickies on the > unmoderated NGs. > I have been to one moderated NG that appeared to be self-serving > commercially. This particular NG has been around for a long time. No > idea about the people who formed it, etc. etc. > In 2003, an active participant in this NG set up a moderated message > board, only for self-serving interests: TO GET RID OF THE FIRST MAJOR > TROLL TO HIT ASSD in at least 6 years. > Now DocVoodoo has come along. He indicated up front that he has a, > hopefully, money-making business. He asked about what the people on > ASSD would like. He is an RRT, a professional. >> BTW, I have moderated NG’s, forums, discussion groups, and the like >> over they years. >> I’ve been on the internet since before it went public (was only >> available to military ard post secondary education) when you had no >> graphical interface and had to type in operating system Unix commands >> to see anything. > I’m not old enuff for that .

I used to tell my students that I’d been around since hand cranked computers. Scary thing, the last three or four years, some actually took me seriously. >> I hope that those here will co-operate in saving this NG. > As I indicated earlier, IMO there is very little to save and shortly > there will be nothing to save.

Well, now it’s my turn to disagree. >> I know it is hard, especially when you are personally attacked by the >> trolls, but you have to refrain from feeding them. > You have overlooked one important matter. She is more than a troll. > She is a paranoid schizo, who refuses to take her meds, and thinks her > illness is related to PLMD.

No, I’ve seen the same kind of people do this before. On one NG, an individual actually made death threats. He was located here in Canada and the RCMP tracked him down, he was charged, prosecuted and had some free accomodations for a while and was restricted from internet use for several years. > Plain old trolls troll because they enjoy what they are doing. She does > it because she is not in touch with reality. There is an immense > difference. > Do you consider this post/reply ‘feeding the trolls’? Well, it does, > because I mention the troll. She is sure to respond to this post to > you. She will try to find whatever she can on other NGs, and throughout > the web, so she can post all the personal info. However, she won’t find > anything, anywhere, because like her, I don’t allow archiving.

You make a good point. While discussing what to do about the problem, it can invoke responses. > And it is unlikely that anyone here will protest what she says, because > those here have no balls.

Protesting what they say won’t do any good unless they make death threats or the like. > I’d be pleased to hear your response to my comments. >> Regards >> Lee in Toronto

Regards Lee in Toronto

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:43:17 +1000, "Tal" wrote: >> business but there is nothing about the business on the forums. Without >> the business I would not be able to afford the ability to put the forums >> up at no cost to the users. >hmmm……from expeirence, it costs next to nothing to run a msg forum

it does take time and effort to run a Traveler server not to mention the artwork using 3-D VRML `warez thern you have to get out and troll for users. whee!

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:43:25 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: >Every group to which I subscribe has periods of troll behaviour. >Eventually the perpetrator(s) get bored and go away – usually after a >few days, and especially, as you say, if they are ignored.

unless it is a music froup and there are obsessed stalkers…. I killed one of those. it took two years >The advantages of an unmoderated environment outweigh the downsides as >far as I’m concerned.

yep Traveler has been around for nine years that I know of and survived the code and concept being tossed in the dumpster behind a Silicon Valley outfit, to be dived-for by another one…and it is still free the outfit has a curious philosophy of a blend of capitalism and communism, if you want to dig further into DigitalSpace.com… I don’t care. I’m just a sysop into hardware and wanting to get a diagnosis on just what the fuck is fucking with my sleep. fuck! oh, I get it, like one sleep doc indicated. money. lots of it… and I’m more commie oriented since I have no capital. duh me!

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:04:11 -0700, nos…@nospam.org wrote: >What you’re a doktor and you can’t afford webhosting? LIAR!!!!!! >On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:26:10 -0400, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "DocVoodoo" > wrote:

smoke and mirrors

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> business but there is nothing about the business on the forums. Without > the business I would not be able to afford the ability to put the forums > up at no cost to the users.

hmmm……from expeirence, it costs next to nothing to run a msg forum _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:26:10 -0400, "DocVoodoo" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >I am a User of BIPAP and an RRT that just happens to own a business. So I >am in the same boat of misery as the rest of yea. It

THE Problem With 5.0 Mustangs

admin — Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Quit cross-posting to alt.support.herpes, already. Thanks What?

Could be one of those nearly-silent pleas for help that I’ve heard about. His subliminal conciousness is reaching out for the support he doesn’t know he needs. I wonder how many people have acquired herpes in the back seats of cars. And is that why I drive a pickup truck? Mike

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Quit cross-posting to alt.support.herpes, already. Thanks

Sorry, that would be ‘Calvin pissing on Ford screaming bloody murder sticker’. winnard

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Quit cross-posting to alt.support.herpes, already. Thanks

Done.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quit cross-posting to alt.support.herpes, already. Thanks I could line up all you’r dumn asses chain ‘em together and drag them down teh road sideways in my F-250 Corn-binder. Whatever idot first said the words "Mopar" and "truck" in the same breath must have laughed his ass off. F’n scrap metal. F-250 Corn-binder? I’d probably be driving a F-250 today but an arrogant salesman wouldn’t sell me one. I’ve had a few Ford trucks, and I liked them all. The most recent was a ‘91 F-150 4X4 supercab that I bought new and kept for 8 trouble free years. The only "problems" that I had with it was the 5.0 wasn’t powerful enough for towing, and the payload was too light. When I bought that one I wanted a 3/4 ton, but I let the salesman talk me into a half-ton. Letting a salesman sell me what he has instead of buying what I want is a mistake I will never make again. When I decided to get a new truck in ‘99 I looked on the Ford lot first. The salesman immediately pissed me off. He didn’t have any 3/4 ton 4X4 supercab diesels on the lot so he kept trying to talk me into another F-150. Instead of trying to find the truck that I wanted, he tried to convince me that I didn’t want a 3/4 ton diesel. I hate it when people try to tell me what I want and don’t want. When my ‘99 Ram 2500 4X4 is worn out I will consider another Ford, but it may be a very long time before I’m truck shopping again. In the past 5 years I’ve only put 60,000 miles on the Cummins. At that rate it won’t be due for it’s first engine rebuild for another 20 years. Do they make them Calvin stickers peeing on Ford salesmen?

What? —

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It’s pretty obvious: Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang,alt.autos.toyota.trucks,alt.support.herpes,re c.sport.football.college

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t own one, but if I did I’d try to get them to sound better. Rapping one out at 7000 rpm makes them sound like farting into a big Folgers coffee can. How can you make one sound as good as one of those Hemi dump trucks sound? Those sound really good for a Dodge. iPod with a little electrical connection to the accelerator. You owe me $1. – Tony Hmm this is interesting, from cars to brands, guitars, mp3 players… took me a while to read the whole thing. Ya gotta be quick around here….O, I fergot. Ya drive a Ford. Do you realize you’re still in a Mustang group, or have you forgotten entirely by now? I could give a shit what you drive. But I wonder what your purpose is here, aside from being a petty, antagonistic ass. I don’t see one. Go back to AADT and quit being a childish prick in RAMFM. By the way, how many Calvin peeing stickers do you have on your window? I have 3 of them on my Ram, but only one of them are peeing on a Mustang. I could line up all you’r dumn asses chain ‘em together and drag them down teh road sideways in my F-250 Corn-binder. Whatever idot first said the words "Mopar" and "truck" in the same breath must have laughed his ass off. F’n scrap metal.

Scrap metal for midgets. — Jefferson N. Glapski http://www.glapski.com

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I could line up all you’r dumn asses chain ‘em together and drag them down teh road sideways in my F-250 Corn-binder. Whatever idot first said the words "Mopar" and "truck" in the same breath must have laughed his ass off. F’n scrap metal.

F-250 Corn-binder? I’d probably be driving a F-250 today but an arrogant salesman wouldn’t sell me one. I’ve had a few Ford trucks, and I liked them all. The most recent was a ‘91 F-150 4X4 supercab that I bought new and kept for 8 trouble free years. The only "problems" that I had with it was the 5.0 wasn’t powerful enough for towing, and the payload was too light. When I bought that one I wanted a 3/4 ton, but I let the salesman talk me into a half-ton. Letting a salesman sell me what he has instead of buying what I want is a mistake I will never make again. When I decided to get a new truck in ‘99 I looked on the Ford lot first. The salesman immediately pissed me off. He didn’t have any 3/4 ton 4X4 supercab diesels on the lot so he kept trying to talk me into another F-150. Instead of trying to find the truck that I wanted, he tried to convince me that I didn’t want a 3/4 ton diesel. I hate it when people try to tell me what I want and don’t want. When my ‘99 Ram 2500 4X4 is worn out I will consider another Ford, but it may be a very long time before I’m truck shopping again. In the past 5 years I’ve only put 60,000 miles on the Cummins. At that rate it won’t be due for it’s first engine rebuild for another 20 years. Do they make them Calvin stickers peeing on Ford salesmen?

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Quit cross-posting to alt.support.herpes, already. Thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I could line up all you’r dumn asses chain ‘em together and drag them down teh road sideways in my F-250 Corn-binder. Whatever idot first said the words "Mopar" and "truck" in the same breath must have laughed his ass off. F’n scrap metal. F-250 Corn-binder? I’d probably be driving a F-250 today but an arrogant salesman wouldn’t sell me one. I’ve had a few Ford trucks, and I liked them all. The most recent was a ‘91 F-150 4X4 supercab that I bought new and kept for 8 trouble free years. The only "problems" that I had with it was the 5.0 wasn’t powerful enough for towing, and the payload was too light. When I bought that one I wanted a 3/4 ton, but I let the salesman talk me into a half-ton. Letting a salesman sell me what he has instead of buying what I want is a mistake I will never make again. When I decided to get a new truck in ‘99 I looked on the Ford lot first. The salesman immediately pissed me off. He didn’t have any 3/4 ton 4X4 supercab diesels on the lot so he kept trying to talk me into another F-150. Instead of trying to find the truck that I wanted, he tried to convince me that I didn’t want a 3/4 ton diesel. I hate it when people try to tell me what I want and don’t want. When my ‘99 Ram 2500 4X4 is worn out I will consider another Ford, but it may be a very long time before I’m truck shopping again. In the past 5 years I’ve only put 60,000 miles on the Cummins. At that rate it won’t be due for it’s first engine rebuild for another 20 years. Do they make them Calvin stickers peeing on Ford salesmen?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t own one, but if I did I’d try to get them to sound better. Rapping one out at 7000 rpm makes them sound like farting into a big Folgers coffee can. How can you make one sound as good as one of those Hemi dump trucks sound? Those sound really good for a Dodge. iPod with a little electrical connection to the accelerator. You owe me $1. – Tony Hmm this is interesting, from cars to brands, guitars, mp3 players… took me a while to read the whole thing. Ya gotta be quick around here….O, I fergot. Ya drive a Ford. Do you realize you’re still in a Mustang group, or have you forgotten entirely by now? I could give a shit what you drive. But I wonder what your purpose is here, aside from being a petty, antagonistic ass. I don’t see one. Go back to AADT and quit being a childish prick in RAMFM.

Nope, I like here. Ya’ll is dumnber than a box o rocks. MoPaR Rocks Ford Rocks! — –SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West–

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Nope, I like here. Ya’ll is dumnber than a box o rocks. MoPaR Rocks Ford Rocks!

;^)

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I have 3 of them on my Ram, but only one of them are peeing on a Mustang.