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Two pups at once?

Question:

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter

brothers) The Amazing Puppy Wizard highly recommends raising two same age pups together as it makes training FASTER and EZIER on accHOWENT of they learn from each other AS REPORTED BY The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End dog Training Method Manual Students all over the HOWEL WILD WORLD. You remember, you call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES on accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s CASE HISTORIES PROVES EVERY THING you think you know abHOWET dogs and behavior is DEAD WRONG. You’ll do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right to hurt intimidate and murder innocend crittres Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) at once?

You mean LIKE THIS?: Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader. Sorry that slipped my mind. I have read volumes of training books and don’t know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof. Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over. Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn’t need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis. Nice side benefit there. It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs. I tried it and it didn’t work and guess what? I was at my "Whits End" then someone I knew turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history. I referred friends and families to Jerry’s manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit. I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days. Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple. Mike I’m considering buying two sighthound pups

Good. and would like some advice,

The OP evidently hasn’t been readin HOWER forums, has she, Master Of Deception blankman. PERHAPS you’ll give us some ADVICE with which The Amazing Puppy Wizard can RIDICULE and IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you WON MOORE TIME, you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) ; ~ ) but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

That’s IRRELEVENT on accHOWENT of the only folks the OP would likely be comin across are dog abusing mental cases like yourself, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) Yes.

INDEEDY? I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ THAT’S on accHOWENT of you’re a incompetent fool a liar a dog abuser a coward and actue active long term incurabel MENTAL CASE, and PERHAPS we’ll PROVE IT RIGHT HERE? I’ve been told over and over again that two same-sex pups at once is bound to cause: 1: Waaay too much work 2: Hierarchy fights from adolescence on 3: Separation anxiety when the dogs are separated, no matter how much I train them separately …and the list goes on. Those are the risks.

That so? CITES PLEASE? YOu’re full of crap. You had PROBLEMS with EVERY dog you’ve ever abused you freakin MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) You might be successful and vaoid them.

You mean dependin on HOWE her LUCK is runnin you freakin DHOWEBLE talkin lying dog abuser? But then you might not.

That so? You mean if she locks her dogs in a box and jerks and chokes them on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar with custom knitted cover up like HOWE you done your own dogs you miserable lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) FRom my perspective

You’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case. one of the things is that because of the nature of the relationship

That so? You mean the nature of an abused dog, Master Of Deceptin blankman <{) ; ~ ) at least one of those puppies will never really get a chance to fully blossom and develop.

CITES PLEASE? YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP. That is becausse it will always be inrelationship to the other.

That so? Accordin to your MENTALLY ILL LOGIC people can’t raise two same aged chidren, if we was to use your DOG BEHAIVORISM as a model for human behavior as Pavlov and The Amazing Puppy Wizard amongst other researchers do <{) ; ~ ) They all tell me I should get one pup now and another in 1-4 years (i.e. some say 1-2 years, others say 3-4).

That’s SHEER IDIOCY on accHOWET of those dog abusers got NO METHOD to pupperly handle raise and train their dogs. ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING not BREED or #’s of dogs bein raised <{) ; ~ ) Yes.

CITES PLEASE? I myself don’t see how two brothers will automatically fight for

dominance, That’s on accHOWENT of there AIN’T NO SUCH THING as "DOMINANCE." Supposed "DOMINANCE" is FEAR AGGRESSION <{) ; ~ ) They don’t "automatically" fight.

All FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{) ; ~ ) Some live in harmony, some in close bonding,

That so? You mean dependin on HOWE your LUCK is runnin? some in small skimishes and some in all out battles to the death.

That’s on accHOWENT of locking dogs in boxes and chokin and shocking and bribing and intimidating them, Master Of Deception blankman. ALL AGGRESSION IS LEARNED <{) ; ~ ) if I raise/train them with that possibility in mind.

We’ll DISCUSS all the traditional methods of abusing a critter and then there’ll be NO PROBLEM on accHOWENT of decent people WON’T DO what you been doin to your own fear aggressive hyper HOWETA CON-TROLL crittres, Master OF Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) ; ~ ) And I could get the same problem if I got a mild tempered pup first and then a more dominant pup later.

ONLY IF SHE ABUSED THEM as you been teachin HOWER readers to ABUSE THEIR DOGS JUST LIKE HOWE you’ve abused yours, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) Well dogs are dogs.

That so? Then HOWE COME you differentiate between and blame BREED TENDENCIES as the REASON HOWE COME you can’t train some dogs? You’re full of crap. They have instinctive patterns of behavior.

That so? They also aren’t human so they don’t have the same responses to

situations. That so? CITES PLEASE? That’s CONtraWIZE to SCIENCE, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ ) In the scenario you describe the most likely outcome is

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Trainng Method Manual Students GET 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESS as they REPORT RIGHT HERE. You call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of they DISCREDIT you and EVERY THING you think you know abHOWET dogs and training. the first pup gives way to the second without much of a battle

You mean in their DOMINANCE P-HOWER struggles, Master Of Deception blankman? THAT ONLY HAPPENS when DOG ABUSERS hurt intimidate crate bribe punish and ignore their dog’s cries when you lock them in a box on accHOWENT of you ain’t got the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog EVEN AFTER The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the HOWEL WILD WORLD TOLD YOU HOWE THEY DONE IT EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot. You call them LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of EVERY THING WE SAY PROVES you’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) because they are hardwired to respect a leader.

That so? Is THAT HOWE COME your punk thug coward mental case pals dogs TURN ON THEM Master Of Deception blankman? The problem might come if they are less distinct.

That so? Care to EXXXPLAIN what you mean by "LESS DISTINCT"? The more alike the dogs in size, age, sex, …. the bigger the risks of issues.

Well since ALL AGGRESSION is FEAR and ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, two EQUAL or "LESS DISTINCT" dogs would be LESS LIKELY to FEAR and ATTACK EACH OTHER. UNLESS of curse, you’d be C-HOWENTING on a LARGER dog DOMINATING a smaller dog so you don’t have to TRAIN them, like HOWE you punk thug coward mental cases PREFER your kats to train your dogs. You’re full of crap, Master Of Deception blankman you miserable lying dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) Why go through the puppy stage even once?

You think gettin a USED dog is WIZE? The OP WANTS a pup. She WANTS TWO PUPS. You don’t think ANY pups is reasonable. There are lots of wonderful dogs out there that will bond with you every bit as much as a puppy.

Yeah, if you lock them in a box and … read more »

Response:

HOWEDY racetrack silly,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

BWEEEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! Might have better LUCK askin HOWE many of HOWER DOG LOVERS have MURDERED two same age pups for temperament problems like fassen is fixin to do to her Mastiff. Yes. I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!! [snip IDIOCY] Just recognize that *some* of those risks, if they actually occur, can impair the dog for life. It might not happen. All might be well. But if it does happen it is the dog that pays the price. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead! Diane Blackman I wouldn’t want to get two brothers now, and see them turn into unhappy, dysfunctional dogs because I didn’t have the wits to listen to advice. "Sighthound" is not a breed.

BWEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! What breed of dog are you thinking of getting?

A dog is a dog. Also, since you’re considering sighthounds, what are your living arrangements?

THAT’S ABSURD! Mustang Sally

LIKE THIS: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." HOWEDY racetrack silly, you lyin dog abusing mental case, "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." PATHETIC, eh Soup?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn Gwen, don’t mince words or anything. I will assume, from the above, that in your eyes, I am not trustworthy to rescue Boxers or make decisions on who gets to adopt them…having killed my own dog and all. You’re not the only one. After numerous training classes, behavioral consultations, and hundreds of dollars in vet bills, I killed my Dalmatian several years ago due to extreme dog-aggressiveness. Did you have to pay for it, or did the local Animal Protection League, where you were board President while 70% of the animals coming in for rescue were being killed, give you a freebie? Either she was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with the rock steady temperament, or Tasha was going to kill her, right in front of us. My DH’s first dog, and still the canine love of his life. Good thing that Gwen is perfect in her stewardship of her animals. Gwen didn’t murder her own dog. You and Tara O. did. michael live.. dogtv.comn Mustang Sally

Sally Hennessey Probably because they grab on and WON’T let go. Not that they can lock their jaws…just that they won’t let go of the chewie/arm/whatever.

I had a Dalmatian like that. Better ban Dals, huh? Sally Hennessey YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD Dalmatian… "I’ll bet you don’t know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don’t contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Nope. No more than you’d convince Patch that prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our own dogs and their reactions better than someone who has never seen them or us…hmmm. I’m starting to see some similarities here. Sally Hennessey

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences in dogs’ temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist. What it means is that you don’t know as much about dogs as you think you do, and you surely don’t know a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else’s dog here. I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her. I know that that dog is not unique, and I’m sure many people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer (at least I guess that’s what you meant by "you cause your dog suffers" – - must be the King’s English you guys talk about over there) means that you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth further notice. Sally Hennessey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ultimately unfair to the dog) to leave something as important (particularly to a breed like a BC) as exercise and training to someone else (yes, even a spouse, or perhaps especially a spouse) unless there is proof, in the form of experience, that that someone else will come through. Sally Hennessey I mostly agree with you Sally about this. Certainly it is ideal for the person who owns the dog to be the one exercising and giving mental stimulation. But there are times in which a person is not physically able, which apparently seems to be the case, at that point I personally think it would be better to find another individual to help out rather than not doing anything at all.

It’s true that circumstances do change, and people can’t do what they could before. Definitely it would be better for someone to exercise the dog than no one, and I didn’t mean to suggest that if the owner can’t do it, then no one should. I meant that one should not get a dog requiring lots of exercise and mental stimulation if one cannot meet those needs. IOW, Leah shouldn’t have gotten a BC with the understanding that her husband would take care of the exercise and training needs. However, Leah said that it was actually her husband who wanted a BC, and he promised to exercise and train her. I guess it depends on one’s experience; IME, I’m the one doing the training, so next time my DH wants a Dalmatian and promises to train it, I won’t believe him. Sally Hennessey "My spayed Siberian bitch marks and covers all over the place, as did my spayed Dalmatian bitch. The Borzoi doesn’t, but she is *extremely* submissive." Sally Hennessey "Oops, hit "send" too fast. Of course bitches in season are advertising, so that type of behavior might be typical of Murphy. And some folks think that spaying actually increases dominant/aggressive behavior in bitches that were dominant/aggressive beforehand, so perhaps marking behavior also increases in those bitches." Sally Hennessey I didn’t mean to suggest that we don’t love our poop-eaters; of course, we do. If we were on that show (The Secret Shame…), we would be seen frantically dodging leaping Whippets trying to plant kisses as close as possible to our mouths. And I will admit that the night Robin barfed up poop, he spent the night in his crate, not in bed with us. Just couldn’t chance a recurrence. Sally Hennessey

Dalmatian that would position himself behind the Greyhounds and catch…Being a Dal, he was sometimes a little harder to love to begin with. "fter Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I’ve posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Take it out of context and you’d think I was flinging puppies across the room! here’s what I said (keep in mind that we’re talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he’s very persistant.

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I’d phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet’s

Response:

HOWEDY fassen, "Fassen" wrote Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area. We have two 7 month old Jack Russell Terriers. They are not littermates, but from the same breeder and born two days apart.

HOWER EXXXPERTS sez any ETHICKAL BREEDER won’t sell two same age / sex pups to any other than a ETHICKAL BREEDER who knows HOWE to pupperly manage two same age pups <{) ; ~ ) They are also one male and one female. Not exactly what you’re asking about, but still two pups at once.

And the same same same same RESULTS as all the others. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at 4 weeks. Here’s Leigh’s pups at 4 MONTHS still not HOWEsbroken: "We now have two 16 week old JR pups. They’ve been here nearly two weeks and are almost housetrained already." Ain’t no such thing as ALMOST HOWEstrained <{) ; ~ ) "Having their own dog door and the freedom to come in and out has probably helped with that." You’d THINK. ObviHOWESLY there’s SUMPTHIN stoppin her dogs from HOWEsbreakin themselves according to Nature’s INNATE INSTINCTIVE PERFECT HOWEsbreaking program <{) ; ~ ) Leigh, Oh, I love a balanced pro/con list.

INDEED? Must be my old work experience as a research secretary that kick

in… For SHORE! As a EXXXPERIENCED RESEARCHER noDHOWET fassen has READ HOWER EXXXPERT’S POSTED CASE HISTORIES in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives <{) ; ~ ) Let’s see: Two JRTs, adolescents, boy/girl, not siblings but grown up together from infancy. The differences from my prospective future with two sighthounds (Sloughis) are – – among other things: 1: I’ll have two males, 2: they’ll be a lot larger than JRTs (funnily enough, they’ll be as tall as my mastiff, but it’d take three of them to equal his weight…), and 3: they have the nature of the rather aloof sighthound rather than the "I own the world" confidence of a terrier. Likenesses, sort of: 1: They have boundless energy – especially as pups. But unlike the JRT, the adult Sloughi is calm in the house.

The PROBLEMS HOWER DOG LOVERS have with JRT’s is CAUSED BY REPRESSION, not the BREED. A dog is a dog. Disadvantages: Cost! Buying, vaccinating, spaying etc as they both need things done at the same time.

Of curse, DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE their dogs for non medical puporses <{) ; ~ ) Training: Hard to do as you have to take them separately.

Well that’s a load of crap, ain’t it, according to the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students you’ve no DHOWET RESEARCHED in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives <{) ; ~ ) With the best of intentions, this still does not always happen.

On accHOWENT of training two dogs at WON time is nearly IMPOSSIBLE. At least when we go to the actual training school there are two of us, so we can take a dog each. You don’t have that, unless you can rope a friend into coming each week.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!! Training: This is the thing that most posters have stressed so far.

INDEED? Oh, you mean from the EXXXPERTS who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs. This is also what concerns me the most.

LikeWIZE. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS" <{) ; ~ ) I will not be able to take them out separately every day.

Good, on accHOWENT of the idea is sheer IDIOCY. I should be able to coax a friend into taking one when we go to training school, however.

BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!! If not, I have another friend who’s currently taking classes as a dog trainer.

"Birds of a feather," eh fassen? And I’ve been told by many people

By lying dog absuing mental cases… that I have achieved remarkable obedience with my mastiff,

Your Mastiff is DYING from TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS caused by STRESS from TRAINING and he’s PROBABLY got a BAD CASE of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) although he never went to dog school.

INDEED? But my mastiff is a totally different kind of dog than a sighthound.

I expect the training to be the biggest workload by far. No. "A DOG IS A DOG." Then there’s the Sloughi’s guarding instinct.

We don’t DISCRIMINATE amongst breeds noMOORE. Two males will make quite a challenge in training them not to guard excessively.

That’s ABSURD. That said, no two dogs will ever match the guarding instinct of my

mastiff. A dog is a dog. And I’ve succeeded very well in handling that,

That so? Your Mastiff is DYIN at 3 y. o. using only positive reinforcement.

That so? But still, the guarding instinct will most probably be an issue that I’ll have to work on.

No. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, as in the case of your FEAR AGGRESSIVE Mastiff, whom you’re fixin to MURDER on accHOWENT of his TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS according to your own posted case history. Energy: They have sooooo much of it and can go totally crazy together at times.

THAT’S ABSURD. Energy: The breeder tells me that her sighthounds can get into fits of craziness in the house, throwing raw meaty bones in the air and catching them, and bouncing off the furniture. This I’m *not* used to. What I’m used to is being pawed at, stepped on, head butted, and body slammed by my playful 155 lbs mastiff, who believes he’s still a pup.

No. Your dog DISRESPECTS YOU on accHOWENT of HOWE you TRAINED HIM. Ever heard of ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR? If you pupperly handled and trained your Mastiff he’d treat you with the SAME RESPECT, or Vice Versa, fassen, university trained RESEARCHER <{) ; ~ ) One of the reasons I would like to have two pups is because I’d like them to play with eachother rather than need me to fill that role all the time.

Well THAT’S TYPICAL of HOWER DOG LOVERS. But I will nevertheless have to prepare myself for some serious explosions of raw energy. And maybe it’s just be too much?

THAT kind of behavior is CAUSED by MISHANDLING, not puppy’s. But then again, that’d easily be the case even if I got a second pup at a later time.

INDEEDY! THE SAME SAME SAME SAME as you SEE in your RESEARCH. Companionship: They can become too attached.

That’s a other faerie tail. We haven’t had to deal with this as a problem yet, but may have to at some point.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Companionship: Another one of my concerns. I can easily place one pup with friends and focus on the other for a weekend or so. But leaving one at home while taking the other one out will be worse, as the one at home will be alone.

Well THAT’S SHEER IDIOCY <{) ; ~ ) I honestly haven’t though about that until now,

INDEEDY, on accHOWENT of the PROBLEM DOESN’T EXIST unless you ABUSE your dogs like the EXXXPERTS you’ve been RESEARCHING, university trained intellectual <{) ; ~ ) and it definitely requires some more thinking.

Well then, CASE CLOSED, eh fassen? But again, this could become a problem even with two dogs of different ages.

INDEEDY. But ONLY if you’re a dog abuser on accHOWENT of separation anXXXIHOWESNESS is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING not BAD DOGS <{) ; ~ ) Advantages: Companionship: They always have a friend when we are out (at work etc). They are obviously the best of friends.

THAT’S NOT TYPICAL of HOWER EXXXPERT’S POSTED CASE HISTORIES. IS IT, university trained research assistant <{) ; ~ ) Companionship: This is the main reason why I’d like to have two pups at once. One pup growing up alone seems a bit unnatural to me, and I’m concerned about the dog getting too attached to me as it’d be only me and him in the home.

That’s absurd. Separation anxiety is a potential problem.

No. Separation anXXXIHOWESNESS got NUTHIN to do with SEPARATION, it’s CAUSED by locking dogs in boxes and SUPERVISING and MANAGING and PUNISHING BAD BEHAVIORS <{) ; ~ ) SAME SAME as FEAR of THUNDER and CAR SICKNESS, but you’ll have to research those issues yourself, RESEARCH ASSOCIATE <{) ; ~ ) Some single Sloughis get so attached to their owners that they become seriously depressed when left alone.

No. They FEAR their ABUSER’S RETURN. They FEAR bein ALONE on accHOWETN of there’s NO CON-TROLLER to TAKE CHARGE of them and SCOLD and INTIMDIATE them in their absence. If you put a recording on tellin the dog "NO!" "GET OFF!" "DON’T!" "STOP THAT!" every five minutes the dog WOULD NOT HAVE separation anXXXIHOWESNESS on accHOWENT of he’d FEEL like his abuser was settin right there abusing and threatengin him <{) ; ~ ) This is a hound that thrives in the company of other hounds. And I am a person who is happiest in a home with more than one dog.

No. You’re a person who’s only interested in herself. Fun: The way they play together, and with us, is often more fun than just one dog can be, just by the fact that there are two so there are different interactions possible. Fun: I’m always happy to watch two dogs play together. And with sighthounds who can’t be off leash unless there’s a fence,

You mean on accHOWETN of your RESEARCH SEZ that a sightHOWEND cannot be TRAINED to come off lead. they’d be able to blow off steam more easily as a pair.

THAT’S A SYMPTOM OF HYPERACTIVITY FROM REPRESSION. BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! And I’m thinking that maybe, with a bit of effort, I’d be able to unleash one of them in a large field and let him run while the other one is leashed.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is that hopefully the one off leash wouldn’t take off

Response:

HOWEDY fassen,

whittled these words: Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once?

You’re a university trained multi lingual intellectual and owner of a 3 y.o. Mastiff who’s suffering from neck injuries sustained as a puppy and will likely not survive another year <{) : ~ ) PERHAPS if you knew what The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World KNOWS, your dog would be in good heelth and you’d be lookin forward to gettin the pair of tiny dogs as soon as they’re ready to leave the litterbox at SIX WEEKS as The Amazing Puppy Wizard and Scott & Fuller recommend <{); ~ ) I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice,

So, having done your DUE DILLIGENCE you’ve read the posted case histories of the EXXXPERTS you’re askin for advice and are familiar with the nature of the Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Coward And Active Acute Long Term Incurable MENTAL CASES you’re askin for advice for THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS THEY GOT and CAN’T TRAIN, fassen <{) ; ~ ) THAT’S a SYMPTOM of MENTAL ILLNESS. You’ve INHERITED it from you mommy and daddy <{) ; ~ ) EITHER THAT, or they TAUGHT IT TO YOU, "nature Vs nurture" notwithstandin, HOWEver <{) ; ~ ) but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

INDEED? The EXXXPERTS you’re askin HAVE EXXXPERIENCE. They HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER DOGS <{) : ~ ( THAT’S HOWE COME they’re tellin you NOT to do what The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The HOWEL WILD WORLD REPORT DOIN RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY <{) ; ~ ) You’re settin in it <{): – ( Yes. I wouldbn’t want to repeat the experience.

THAT’S TYPICAL of HOWER EXXXPERT DOG LOVER’S RESULTS <{) : ~ ( [snip] My guess is that you will do it regardless of the advice received From lying dog abusing mental cases <{) ; ~ ) because you have decided that is what you want to do.

Oh? Not on accHOWENT of it’s the most efficient way to raise two pups on accHOWENT of they learn from each other AS STATED in The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORTS RIGHT HERE <{) ; ~ ) You understand the down sides.

There AIN’T NO DHOWEN SIDES IF YOU DON’T LOCK THEM IN BOXES AND JERK AND CHOKE THEM ON PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLARS AND SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE AND BRIBE CRATE INTIMIDATE AND WITHHOLD ATTENTION AFFECTION AND "REWARDS" *(THERE AIN’T NO SUCH THING AS REWARDS. DOIN a behaivor its THE REWARD, not a TREAT or PAT AFTER THE FACT when the dog AIN’T NO MOORE THINKIN abHOWET IT), EXXXCEPT FOR THEM GETTIN OLD TOGETHER <{) ; ~ ) Now you are looking for people who will tell you that all thaose risks are just hog wash

THAT’S CORRECT, an lo an behold, SHE FHOWEND THEM RIGHT HERE, but fassen WON’T REPLY on accHOWENT of DECNT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) and that you can succeeed in your plans.

YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?: Alan, The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it. He isn’t PC and that pisses people off. The fact is that I have used his FREE methods and they DO in fact work. What a crock of shit relating his methods to a science experiment. Yes, the man is a cross posting menace and has proly smoked too many batts in his day but he has the canine species best interest at heart and doesn’t profit from his point of view. He is a selfless advocate for dogs and that’s enough for me to respect the man no matter how controversial he gets. Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

INDEEDY! JUST LIKE THAT. AND LIKE THIS:

Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:33 PM HOWERDY Group, Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRYS MANUAL 1) My dogz, two bitches – Vicious, barking, agressive, pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerrys manual, they were calm, friends, my companions. 2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the girls had -NO PROBLEMS-with him from the moment I dropped him by their noses. 3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRYS MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVENT BARKED ONCE! Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS ! 4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH – lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE ! 5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT – HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK – ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS FOR SALE ! Quite amazing to – I thought they were just dull coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly. 6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER BALL! She carried it around all day and night – 3 DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS it when u ASK her to! BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA!!!! Nevyn Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success I’ve had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry … read more »

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HOWEDY andrea, Your dogs GOT TEMPERAMENT and BEHAIVOR PROBLEMS on accHOWENT of you’re a dog abuser and idiot, not on accHOWENT of dogs have INNATE TENDENCIES to FIGHT. DOGS FIGHT WHEN THEY’RE AFRAID. DOGS GET AFRAID WHEN YOU HURT THEM. THAT’S HOWE COME your dogs GOT the PROBLEMS THEY GOT. You’re a FOOL. And you’re a dog abusing coward liar and active mental case. The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers) at once? I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area. I’ve done it. I don’t recommend it. I’ve been told over and over again that two same-sex pups at once is bound to cause: 1: Waaay too much work Too much is entirely subjective. However if you have a job (and I suspect you do) it’s rather difficult to give each puppy all of the ~individual~ time it needs. This is more than just being with/playing with/watching them. You have to take the dog out, by itself and get him used to different people, places and things. And then there’s training which really needs to be done individually. 2: Hierarchy fights from adolescence on Very possible unless you are lucky. I kept litter sisters and thankfully they are naturally very different in terms of where they want to fit into the pack. Make sure you neuter the boys or else you could be in trouble when a bitch comes into heat. Also make sure the breeder is willing to take one back in case you find you can’t deal with both. 3: Separation anxiety when the dogs are separated, no matter how much I train them separately This is the one that nailed me. Brenna, one of the two, has some serious separation anxiety. She doesn’t need to be with her sister, or even me, my husband or one of the other dogs (I have a total of 5) specifically but it has to be _someone_. She never got used to being alone and leaving her at the vet’s is an ordeal. If you do this, you MUST make sure that the dogs are separated for hours at a time and over night on cccasion as youngsters so that they learn to handle it. And I don’t mean in different areas of the apartment. You’ll need someone to take one, and then the other so that they learn independence from you and their littermate. I myself don’t see how two brothers will automatically fight for dominance, if I raise/train them with that possibility in mind. Training will have very little to do with it. It’s more dependent on their innate temperaments. It’s also easier to have two dogs of opposite sex. And I could get the same problem if I got a mild tempered pup first and then a more dominant pup later. You could have the same problem, but unlikely in the specific instance you mention. IME, if you have dogs that are of obviously differing "seats" in the heirarchy, you run into less problems. I’m lucky in that my dogs do not want to occupy the same spaces in our pack. My oldest are a clear dominant male and a Beta female. Then there are her daughters, the dominant female and the omega female. And then there’s Zepar, who may offer a bit of a challenge but is not a dominant male. Delphi, the oldest bitch, gave way readily to her daughter because Delphi really has no desire to lead. It’s when you have two dogs that both want to be tops that you have issues. So, does anyone have any experience to share? Puppies are always more work than you think they’ll be. Trust me. Seriously, as someone who’s done it twice I recommend one puppy at a time. You always feel like someone is getting short changed, and they probably are. If you live alone it can be overwhelming to always have to deal with them both. Training is constant. The positives are that they do entertain each other and keep each other busy sometimes, and they offer eadch other companionship. I wouldn’t give up any of my dogs but if I had it to do over I would get puppies one at a time. I’m glad Zepar is the only puppy I have right now. He’s more than enough. — -Andrea Stone Saorsa Basenjis http://www.trollsnest.com/saorsa

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HOWEDY flick you lying dog abusing mental case, <snipped

funky foot has had EVERY temperament and behavior problem in creation. That said, I would not attempt it with two males (or two females),

That’s on accHOWENT of she’s a IDIOT. and I REALLY would not attempt it with large dogs.

BWEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!! suja’s and kelly aka culprits OPPOSITE SEX DOGS ATTACKED EACH OTHER on accHOWENT of they’re dog abusing mental cases <{) ; ~ ) I absolute agree with this.

Yeah, but you’re a lying dog abusing mental case yourself. I have multiple dogs.

You hurt intimidate and murder dogs and lie abHOWET it. You can run into problems with 2 dogs the same sex,

That so? Only if you MISHANDLE them. even if spayed/neutered.

Like THAT, for EXXXAMPLE. S/N makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE. And I can say from experience that it is difficult for one person alone to separate 2 big dogs that are fighting.

Yeah. THAT’S HOWE COME we train them NOT to FEAR EACH OTHER. Easiest way is for 2 people, each grabs a tail and pulls.

The EZiest way is to NOT HURT and INTIMIDATE the dogs and they WON’T LEARN FEAR, flick. The dogs FIGHT on accHOWENT of you SCARE them with your IDIOCY and PUNISHMENT <{) ; ~ ) One person, get a leash, tie one dog, then get the other dog off the tied dog.

Good luck, flick. Too much time, possibility for serious injury, etc.

Yeah. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches NON PHYSICAL techniques to handle and train all dogs and all behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY, flick <{) ; ~ ) Small dogs, grab one with each hand. Easy, by comparison.

It’d be much EZier to simply PRAISE THEM and they’ll not be AFRAID. Not to say that all same-sex dogs will fight.

That so? You punks can’t even train opposite sex dogs not to fear each other. Not at all.

Dog trainin AIN’T LUCK, flick. But I’m just sayin’.

You’re blowin smoke up HOWER arses again, flick you dog abusing lyin mental case. IMO if the OP particularly wants to have two dogs, check the humane

orgs and rescues. You mean BUY a couple dogs from mental cases like you, flick. I frequently see dogs posted that MUST go in a pair to the same

home, Yeah? Pretty fance beggin, eh? as they’re inseparable pals.

Yeah. Like janet’s STUDENT nessa’s dogs, eh flick? Would you place those two with their record of TURNING on their abuser thanks to janet’s trainin? That way you get your 2 dogs that are compatible (hopefully).

Yeah. Imagine havin the two of them beasts attackin you for intimidating them like they was taught by janet and sinofabitch <{) ; ~ ) flick 100785

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box.

I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?)

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HOWEDY Fassen, Do any of you have experience with raising two pups (litter brothers)

at once? The Amazing Puppy Wizard highly recommends it. Makes training them FAST and EZ on accHOWENT of they COPY each other both learning and extinguishing behaivors <{) ; ~ ) It’s called allelomimetic behavior <{) ; ~ ) I’m considering buying two sighthound pups and would like some advice, but nobody I know have any experience in that area.

You AIN’T gonna be gettin on doGgamened advice from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog abusing Punk Thug Coward MENTAL CASE pals you’re askin here abHOWETS. EVERY WON of them who’s replied to this thread HURTS INTIMDIATES and MURDERS dogs and LIES abHOWET IT. The MENTAL CASE "flick" calls herself a "RESCUE" shocks her dogs and MURDERS dogs that she FEARS when they OBJECT to bein HURT and INTIMDIATED and locked in a box. The Amazing Puppy Wizard ANSWERED ALL of your questions in HIS reply to Master Of Deception blankman. READ IT and you’ll see that they’re blowin smoke up HOWER arses again <{) ; ~ ) Funny thing is, nobody has ever said anything about potential *positive* sides of having two pups at once.

That’s not true. The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Trainng Method Manual Students REPORT EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE of EVERY THING these MENTAL CASES are tellin us. I can think of several, with "company and playmate" being number 1.

INDEEDY. Read The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s reply to Master Of Deception blankman and you’ll SEE FOR YOURSELF that we’re being LIED TO by MENTAL PEOPLE who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET it. So, does anyone have any experience to share?

ALL the INFORMATION you need to know is in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) STUDY and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY: http://makeashorterlink.com/?E183232FA Cheers,

LikeWIZE <{) ; ~ ) Rox

REMEMBER: DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) Alan, The puppy wizard calls it as he sees it. He isn’t PC and that pisses people off. The fact is that I have used his FREE methods and they DO in fact work. What a crock of shit relating his methods to a science experiment. Yes, the man is a cross posting menace and has proly smoked too many batts in his day but he has the canine species best interest at heart and doesn’t profit from his point of view. He is a selfless advocate for dogs and that’s enough for me to respect the man no matter how controversial he gets. Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you?

I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti- shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry!

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. admit to buying and having success with his little black box.

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Hello People, Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till … read more »

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