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Problems with trolls, etc.
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Mollye Lewin wrote: > Lee Babcock wrote: >> As a six year participant here, I’d like to offer some comments on our >> current problems. This is NOT new, but this time, the trolls seem to >> be more successful than before. > As a participant for over four years, I found her to be more successful > in 2003. She drove away Bear (permanently), Mike (permanently), Norm > (for a year), Bret (the only professional on the NG), possibly Tom > Devlin (for a year or so), SCOOP (someone said he is moderating a board > somewhere), Beth (now posting infrequently), and even you disappeared at > about the same time, although that may have been because of other > priorities.
I disappeared because of major health issues. >> This is strictly because people feed them, gratify them, justify their >> existence. >> Do NOT reply to their posts or even make comments on them. > I must be missing something. I’ve only noted one old-timer, who has > never let anything deter him, posting in reply to, what appears to be, a > troll. He’s never been deterred. > The trolls are replying amongst themselves and most times __TO > THEMSELVES__ with a different id.
This is one of the tactics in a document ‘how to be a troll’ that has been floating around for some time – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They are crossposting, thus bringing in others. They are posting an > inordinate amount of useless drival. And making off-hand responses to > newbie quesstions. George was correct in questioning the value of > anything posted in reply to a question. (More about this below.) >> I was involved in a NG for a health problem that is even more >> mis-understood by the medical community than OSA, and trolls came in >> and completely destroyed the NG. It is GONE! >> This will happen here if people don’t stop feeding them. > IMO, it was already gone, and making a comeback. She is much more > intent this time around to totally destroy the resurrection. >> This AM I logged on and saw that there were 215 messages, but when the >> download was finished, only 8 were there, the rest being deleted by my >> filters. > 8 out of 215? That’s about 96% worthless. Thems not good odds. >> Now days, filters are simple to use, unlike in times past when you had >> to have knowledge of programming conditions to make them work. >> I have filtered out not only the trolls, but a few people who feed >> them on a regular basis. If they can’t resist the impulse to feed >> them, then I have to conclude that nothing they have to say has any >> value either. Pity is, they are newbies who are here for and who need >> help! > What kind of criteria do you use? Something other than id?
I’m using Netscape 7.2 and you just high light the message, click on message, create filter, ok. This will get rid of most, and is based on email address. You can set up multiple conditions for filtering though. So far, I haven’t found one that I couldn ‘t filter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Going to moderated boards is not the answer since they are moderated >> and the general public has no idea what is being filtered out by the >> moderator. > Well, I disagree here. Many useful moderated boards come about when > pesticide doesn’t work. Even when everyone is on the pest(s), which > they certainly are not on ASSD (only Kate, Norm, and Beth). Maybe it > would have helped if we would have supported/fed them. > Example: Several years ago, one of the manufacturers of CDs had an > unmoderated NG. People got sick of one particular person, so the > primary contributors (sometimes called regulars) started a Yahoo > moderated group. Worked/works great. Once you were deemed to be sane, > your posts were not monitored. However, it was possible to keep one > particular person out of the threads and if someone went insane, after > being proclaimed sane, they could be warned and removed. Now I like that > possibility a lot.
There are always exceptions to the rules, even mine! <vbg> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Moderated boards are almost always self serving in one way or another. > Indeed, they serve to eliminate the problem of sickies on the > unmoderated NGs. > I have been to one moderated NG that appeared to be self-serving > commercially. This particular NG has been around for a long time. No > idea about the people who formed it, etc. etc. > In 2003, an active participant in this NG set up a moderated message > board, only for self-serving interests: TO GET RID OF THE FIRST MAJOR > TROLL TO HIT ASSD in at least 6 years. > Now DocVoodoo has come along. He indicated up front that he has a, > hopefully, money-making business. He asked about what the people on > ASSD would like. He is an RRT, a professional. >> BTW, I have moderated NG’s, forums, discussion groups, and the like >> over they years. >> I’ve been on the internet since before it went public (was only >> available to military ard post secondary education) when you had no >> graphical interface and had to type in operating system Unix commands >> to see anything. > I’m not old enuff for that <g>.
I used to tell my students that I’d been around since hand cranked computers. Scary thing, the last three or four years, some actually took me seriously. <g> >> I hope that those here will co-operate in saving this NG. > As I indicated earlier, IMO there is very little to save and shortly > there will be nothing to save.
Well, now it’s my turn to disagree. >> I know it is hard, especially when you are personally attacked by the >> trolls, but you have to refrain from feeding them. > You have overlooked one important matter. She is more than a troll. > She is a paranoid schizo, who refuses to take her meds, and thinks her > illness is related to PLMD.
No, I’ve seen the same kind of people do this before. On one NG, an individual actually made death threats. He was located here in Canada and the RCMP tracked him down, he was charged, prosecuted and had some free accomodations for a while and was restricted from internet use for several years. > Plain old trolls troll because they enjoy what they are doing. She does > it because she is not in touch with reality. There is an immense > difference. > Do you consider this post/reply ‘feeding the trolls’? Well, it does, > because I mention the troll. She is sure to respond to this post to > you. She will try to find whatever she can on other NGs, and throughout > the web, so she can post all the personal info. However, she won’t find > anything, anywhere, because like her, I don’t allow archiving.
You make a good point. While discussing what to do about the problem, it can invoke responses. > And it is unlikely that anyone here will protest what she says, because > those here have no balls.
Protesting what they say won’t do any good unless they make death threats or the like. > I’d be pleased to hear your response to my comments. >> Regards >> Lee in Toronto
Regards Lee in Toronto
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:43:17 +1000, "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote: >> business but there is nothing about the business on the forums. Without >> the business I would not be able to afford the ability to put the forums >> up at no cost to the users. >hmmm……from expeirence, it costs next to nothing to run a msg forum
it does take time and effort to run a Traveler server not to mention the artwork using 3-D VRML `warez thern you have to get out and troll for users. whee!
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:43:25 +0100, Andy Hall <an…@hall.nospam> wrote: >Every group to which I subscribe has periods of troll behaviour. >Eventually the perpetrator(s) get bored and go away – usually after a >few days, and especially, as you say, if they are ignored.
unless it is a music froup and there are obsessed stalkers…. I killed one of those. it took two years >The advantages of an unmoderated environment outweigh the downsides as >far as I’m concerned.
yep Traveler has been around for nine years that I know of and survived the code and concept being tossed in the dumpster behind a Silicon Valley outfit, to be dived-for by another one…and it is still free the outfit has a curious philosophy of a blend of capitalism and communism, if you want to dig further into DigitalSpace.com… I don’t care. I’m just a sysop into hardware and wanting to get a diagnosis on just what the fuck is fucking with my sleep. fuck! oh, I get it, like one sleep doc indicated. money. lots of it… and I’m more commie oriented since I have no capital. duh me!
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:04:11 -0700, nos…@nospam.org wrote: >What you’re a doktor and you can’t afford webhosting? LIAR!!!!!! >On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:26:10 -0400, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "DocVoodoo" ><Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote:
smoke and mirrors
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> business but there is nothing about the business on the forums. Without > the business I would not be able to afford the ability to put the forums > up at no cost to the users.
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:26:10 -0400, "DocVoodoo" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote: >I am a User of BIPAP and an RRT that just happens to own a business. So I >am in the same boat of misery as the rest of yea. It